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I have an old Remington model 700 BDL 30.06 and it is definitely my favorite go to hunting rifle. I own several other rifles I have bought and inherited from my dad. Pre 64 Winchester model 70 300 H&H mag, a 308 semi auto Winchester, a savage 7mm 08. I always seem to go to the 30.06 for hunting. I like the way it shoots with cheap 165 grain Remington core lock ammo. I've killed 3 elk with it from 200 to 400 yards and several deer. I've seen elk killed with an '06 from 500 to 600 yards. No issues at all. I've shot many of my friends 270's, 7 mags, and 300 Win Mags, and I just don't like the way they recoil. I prefer the smooth push kick from my '06 over the quick punch of the 270 and 7mags I shot. I hated the recoil of the 300 win mag. There is no way you could go wrong with the 30.06 and a really good scope.
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George, I agree.
Bob did have a way of cutting to the chase, and he knew of what he spoke.
I would take my .300 WM elk hunting instead of my .30-06, just because.
The .300 is set up with the glass (Victory 2.5-10) that I like. The '06 would do the job, as you say, with the right bullet.
If you have a .300 Mag, why not use it? Basically it would depend on the individual gun, how well you shot it, the glass it was wearing, the mood you were in at the time. etc., etc...
Dead elk either way if you do your part. And, I probably wouldn't shoot one much over 300 yds. I'm not an 800 yd. hunter, have no desire to become one.
DF Sweet sounds like good recipe. 300 gives you a liftle more range and a bigger punch. Might make the difference in some circumstances. This .300 WM is a good recipe, special at least to me. It's an Ed Brown Damara with Ed's proprietary coating, Shilen match grade barrel with brake. Ed claimed his light weight magnums were more accurate with a brake, thus all magnum Damaras have brakes. It comes with a Jewell trigger and Ed's stock made for him by McM, very similar to the Hunter's Edge. It has a 3.6" full mag box, throated to use the extra COAL which gives a bit more powder space in the case. This gun is very light, very accurate and very pleasant to shoot. The Zeiss Victory 2.5-10 is just lagniappe, as the Cajuns say. Ed's proprietary 704 action combines CRF with a M-700 type round bolt. Legendary Arms Works took it on after Ed discontinued his rifle line. LAW is offering the 704 in a less expensive package. They've had some issues, hopefully they'll get them worked out and produce quality on par with what Ed turned out. This would be my first choice for an upcoming elk hunt. I'd look at 200 gr. NPT's, although I've killed elk with 180 gr. NPT's, grave yard dead. Why the 200 gr.? Just 'cause... Then there's the 165 or 168 TTSX at 3,250 fps... Hunting buds, father and son, love the 168 TTSX in their .300 RUM and .30-378 Wby. That's a bit faster but I've seen what that bullet can do. DF ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/014_zpsr6q7vgqo.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/015_zpsgqhafsxb.jpg) what barrel length to get 3250 ft/s
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Yeah, and those Stainless Stalkers aka the "flying wedge" had very narrow butts on the stock. A friend had one in 338 and it was worse by far than my 340 Wby in a Brown Prec stock. Thanks. Glad to hear that I wasn't such a lightweight after all. Okie John
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Not my data, Barnes using their 1:10 Wiseman 24" bbl, max accy load 86.6 gr. Magnum, 9 1/2 primer, vel 3,247 fps.
Their load is compressed. With my 3.6" mag box, chamber throated accordingly for longer COAL, this load may not be compressed. Magnum is a dense powder.
Shilen barrel on the Damara is 24" plus brake.
I haven't yet loaded/tested 165/168 TTSX's, but plan to.
Will report.
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For shots within 300 yards, does the 300 win mag offer any advantage over the 30-06?
well if you want to send a 200gn bullet to 300yd as fast or faster than a 180gn 06' , .300mag offers that advantage.
And second, if I do go big game hunting for other animals (i.e., moose, caribou, bear), does the 300 offer any advantage, again, within 300 yards.
well if you want to send a 200gn bullet to 300yd as fast or faster than a 180gn 06' , .300mag offers that advantage. If you can shoot a .300 with confidence and don't mind the rifle weight, I don't see a problem. theres no such thing as being over-gunned.
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I never had a .300. I have hunted Big game for thirty years or more. I used to use a lever action Winchester 30-30, but I finally switched to a Remington 30-06 BDL. I did not like it's grouping and I heard about the Tikka T-3 Lite. So I bought one in a 30-06 and fell in love with it. I even went out and bought another in a .270. After last season, I got my CC permit, and I needed a CC pistol, so since I needed a different weapon, and I could only shoot one rifle at a time, I flipped a coin and sold the .270. Almost cried, because both Tikka's got me some nice Elk and many Whitetails so I hated to part with it. I never was able to decide which caliber worked best, but the 30-06 held tighter groups with 180 grain ammo, so I am OK with that choice. Lot's of choices too.
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My hunting buddy and I both have Browning X-Bolts, the only difference (other than caliber) is that mine is a stainless stalker and his has a blued barrel. My X-Bolt is in 300 WM and his is a 338 WM. If recoil is a concern, I've shot his 338 WM from the bench on several occasions and I see little difference in recoil. The 300 WM recoil is bit more sharper, where the 338 is a hard push, comparable to my heavier 9.3x62. While I really like my 300 WM, given the range you mention, I would probably go with a 30-06, or step up to a 338 WM.
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The OP said the shots would be 300 yards max. That's unrealistic in many elk hunting situations. I like the extra reach of a 300 magnum. My rifle is a 300 WBY. When I hunt with my 300, I've never said, "I wish I had a lesser caliber."
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The OP said the shots would be 300 yards max. That's unrealistic in many elk hunting situations. I like the extra reach of a 300 magnum. My rifle is a 300 WBY. When I hunt with my 300, I've never said, "I wish I had a lesser caliber." There is nothing per se unrealistic about that at all. For many it isn't about the range at which you see elk but the range you're willing to take a shot.
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The OP "WANTS" a bigger gun. Why talk him out of it?
There's very little difference between a .270 and the .30-06 so little in fact there's almost no reason to take such a small step.
I'd recommend a .338 Win Mag. It's a stellar elk rifle and with 210's or 225's it will reach as far as or farther than most should be shooting anyway. It's big enough to use on nearly any game animal, and not hard to find ammo for in a pinch. I love mine and hunt with it a lot. I have quite a few choices available, but the .338WM has many scratches.
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The OP said the shots would be 300 yards max. That's unrealistic in many elk hunting situations. I like the extra reach of a 300 magnum. My rifle is a 300 WBY. When I hunt with my 300, I've never said, "I wish I had a lesser caliber." I killed a 370 score elk with a .300 Wby, 180 gr. Partition. And, you're right, I sure didn't feel overgunned...  That combo did the job without a problem. I have a great .375 H&H that's not heavy and a great shooter. Just for grins, I'd consider working up a load and trying it on elk. Why not... May try it on WT's and hogs next fall. Just 'cause... DF
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I have both plus a 300H&H. Three hundred yards or less, there is no difference.
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