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I know both of you well enough to know the role you religion plays in your belief.

There is an organisation of absolutist pro-life atheist, but their membership is smaller than that of the Flat Earth Society.

It's not about "running someone else's life."

It is about protecting another human's life from murder.

Again, more equivocation between a mass of undifferentiated cells and a fully developed person.

Again, generally not defined as murder in this country, and you attempting to impose your religious concept of when person hood begin upon others.

'...to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our POSTERITY...'



My standard response when commenting on this topic is:

'...For the most part Republicans raise up little republicans and Democrats raise up little Democrats....

and, since Roe V. Wade there has been something on the order of 55,000,000 abortions in the USofA.....

And, the lions share of those have been performed on those that call themselves Democrat or Liberal....

That's a lot of swing vote...'



What is amazing is the indignation that follows from the 'buttercups' when presented with the notion that liberals abort more than conservatives.....

It is reported by the Gutzmacher(SP) Institute that more black babies are aborted in NYC than are born.....

So how long is a fetus really, truly a mass of undifferentiated cells? Biology gives us a very clear and straightforward answer to that question.

What, exactly, is a "fully developed person"?

I don't disagree with you, but what give you the right to decide someone else's fate? Isn't that God's job?

When you see someone spank their kid do you stop them?
Where does the line get drawn?

Again, we try to preach how Republicans are all about freedoms, unless it crosses the religious line, then we aren't.

I, for one, do NOT like that slippery slope. After all, what if someday our culture decided that under employed chemical engineers might someday be on welfare so we should kill them to prevent that possibility? No, thanks!

While neither you nor I are presently underemployed, we both have been in the past. (shiver! )

And how do you propose to collect said dna from inside another human?

See, someone's rights have to be violated....either the moms right to choose her fate, or your right to run someone else's life.

As I said, you obviously do not understand the argument. It is our responsibility to protect someone else's life that is at issue.

I absolutely understand.I don't believe in abortion myself, but more than not believing in abortion I believe in minding my own life.

Lots of Christians like to play god. They apparently lack faith that God will be the judge.

So, we should not have any laws concerning harm of others? Because God is omniscient and is a just judge?

At what point did I say anything about DNA collection? Oh, that's right, I did not.

The DNA of the child is distinct, and makes it human. There's the point.

It seems that you have no problem with one person terminating the life of another without just cause. I differ on that.

So, you'd rather other play God instead? The only people playing God are those killing children without just cause. Once you figure that out, you'll be ahead of the game.

When does personhood begin according to your take on life?

That is a statement reached either through reason (philosophical) or observation (scientific/physical), not a religious one. A religious/moral decision can then follow. But of course, you know that already. Stop obfusticating and actually engage in a legitimate debate. Are you afraid of losing or something?

Stop providing false information to "bolster" your argument. If you kill a pregnant woman in America, you will be charged with a double homicide in 38 states (a majority) and in over 60 federal crime-types. It's called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act on the federal level, passed in 2004. Public Law 108-212.

virtually every culture and religion in the world is against abortion. Ain't just Christians.

I'd rather let people choose their own fate. I don't have to sleep with knowing that I killed a fetus nor knowing that I brought a baby with known life threatening problems into the world. .....nor anywhere in between. Site your verses that tell you to be the one who judoes when your neighbor should be unable to make choices, or the one that says you should judge when others make choices.

It's a fundamentalist thing, much like Muslims, they feel the world must conform to their beliefs or suffer.

Two at last count. One is attending Grand Valley State College and the other is still in high school The younger one was considered a "special needs" adoption because he was 3 lb, 3 oz at birth. There were "complications".

And they are not coffee with a lot of cream. They are semi-sweet chocolate brown. Just getting ahead of your next question.

Great. So, when does the child get to determine their own fate? It's not a fundamentalist thing; it's a logical and consistent thing. The parents made a host of choices that led to the pregnancy. Any one of those choices prior could have prevented it. Once it happens, it's a human life. There is no legal, logical, or rational reason to kill another human without just cause - and inconvenience isn't a just cause.