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I am going to load some 40 grain ballistic tip bullets and wanted to know if anyone had any experience with IMR4198 or 2400 in the hornet? The Nosler book lists data for these 2 powders and I have some of each so I thought I would try them.

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Those are old standbys and they still work, but there are several better powders available today. My favorites are Lil Gun, AA1680, and H110/WW296.

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296 is my go to with cci br primers

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Add Alliant 300-MP to that list.


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Why better? Accuracy? Velocity?

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I get much more velocity with 1680 and Lil gun. Lil Gun gets the velocity with lower pressure than the old line powders. My first choice is Lil Gun unless the accuracy is not there. Then I try 1680 next. It usually gives less velocity than Lil Gun, but much more velocity than 4198 or 2400. 110/296 gives good velocity, but my cases stretch terribly with near max loads. In my Hornet I normally have to trim every other shot. My K hornet produces much less case stretch.

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Thanks for the insight.

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Nowhere is it written that one has to run a Hornet at max or near max velocities. Try 6gr. 2400 and a 45 grain bullet. The bullet only has to make it as far as the paper and then punch a hole in it. Save the hot stuff for hunting only and your brass will last a heckuva lot longer.


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I don't currently have a .22 Hornet rifle, but I've had about ten over many years. I experimented with various component combinations, but generally used a 45 gr. Hornady bullet and #2400 powder.

Toward the end of my Hornet use, for some reason, I switched to the Speer 40 gr. and 1680 powder. Should have done that years earlier. I only tried it in two guns, a Martini single shot and a CZ bolt-action, but this was a better combination than my earlier load; somewhat better accuracy and higher velocity.

I may have to get another Hornet someday, but I never found one that was as accurate as most any rifle in .222 Remington.

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Absolute best accuracy for me was WW680. Lil Gun is currently what I use. 3000 FPS with a 40 grain VMax. CCI Small Rifle Magnum primer. 1680 is a distant third.


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Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael
Add Alliant 300-MP to that list.

+1

I like it better than Lil Gun.

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I have a Hornet in a Ruger M77 Sporter, since about 1990.

I have settled on Lilgun as the powder of choice. Great accuracy, velocity and low pressures.

Alliant 300-MP looks like a powder I should try as well, but, 1 pound of Lilgun lasts a very long time in the Hornet.

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I've used both in my Hornet, now a K-Hornet.

300 MP meters better than Lil Gun, IMO. It fills the case, is accurate in my gun with CCI 450 primers.

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tagging this thread. Good information being shared here. Thanks!


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I don't use my Hornet as much as I used to and Lil Gun is my go-to powder when I do. Couple months ago I picked up a pound of 300-MP for 44 Mag. use and never even thought about it Hornet-wise. I may have to re-think this.

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Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
Those are old standbys and they still work, but there are several better powders available today. My favorites are Lil Gun, AA1680, and H110/WW296.


I'm currently using lilgun in one and H110 in the other. Both have worked beyond my expectations.


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For normal loads (factory equivalent) my Ruger no. 3 likes IMR-4227 and the Speer 45 gr soft point. My Kimber Super America likes the 45 Speer and Olin 680 (discontinued, but I have a couple pounds of it).

For an accurate but slow load, the Ruger no 3 does real well with a 50 gr Speer or Sierra Blitz and 11.5 grs of IMR-4198. IIRC it gives about 2200-2250 fps.

A load that has worked well on squirrels is 9.5 grs of IMR-4227 and the old Speer 55 FMJ (with a somewhat rounded nose profile).


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I have a 77/22 that I had sent and had reamed to a K Hornet and it seems to like the MP 300 over the Lil Gun. The Factory Hornady 35 Grain V Max is loaded with what appears to be Lil Gin and it will shoot 1/2" when fire forming

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W-W brass, Lil-Gun, CCI-450 mag primers, and 45 gr TSX's at 2922 fps in my little Hornet, it don't like coyotes either.


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I've always filled up the case with Lil Gun, but never tried the TSX. I will have to give that a whirl.


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