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#11879149 - 03/06/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: Leanwolf]
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Originally Posted By Leanwolf
Originally Posted By Cowboyvon
You wrote for Gunsmoke? Thats great did you have anything to do with the episode "The Hat" ... It has to be my all time favorite ..

Thanks!


CowboyVon, I wrote several Gunsmoke scripts but I didn't write The Hat. That was written by a friend of mine, the late Ron Bishop, who wrote a whole bunch of Gunsmoke scripts, plus others for other shows. Ron was a very good writer.

He owned a small "ranch" north of Cody, Wyoming, and invited me up to hunt elk there a couple of times. To my great regret, I was too busy to make it when he was there for elk season.

Had some good times over some drinks in Los Angeles, though. wink

As an aside, Ron served in Burma during WW II. He told some interesting stories about that, too.

L.W.



Thanks .. I watched Gunsmoke every night when I was a kid and still watch as often as I can.. Prior to selling my old place we kept a computer on with Gunsmoke playing on a loop through youtube 24-7 lol you might say I'm a fan ...

Thanks for your part !!!!!
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#11879577 - 03/06/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: Cowboyvon]
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CowboyVon, glad you enjoyed the show. I and other writers had fun writing for it. Every year at Christmas CBS and the Gunsmoke production company would throw a huge Christmas party and dinner on the very large sound stage where the permanent set of Dodge City was erected. That was at CBS Studios, Studio City.

The writers, directors, actors, production staff, our spouses, and other guests from the industry were invited. Interesting to be bellied up to the Longbranch Saloon bar drinking real booze. grin

Best regards.

L.W.
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#11881400 - 03/07/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: wabigoon]
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Leanwolf, I attended my first writer's conference in 1978. By far, the best instructor there was a woman, probably then in her late 50s or early 60s, who had written for Gunsmoke for years. She was easily the best instructor at the conference. I returned to the same conference in Portland the next year as an instructor but she wasn't there. Packed in my files is a brochure from the first conference with her name and photo. I'd know the name if I heard it, but I can't think of it. Anyway, a wonderful lady. My mother passionately believed Marshall Dillon's buckskin was the best horse on television, and while I would devalue the horse for not having the confirmation appropriate to the era, how can one vote against one's late mother. The buckskin it is.

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#11884145 - 03/08/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: mtrancher]
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Mtrancher, I don't recall meeting a woman Gunsmoke writer. I know a few women wrote for the show, but I never met one. If you recall the name, let me know.

Hope all is well there with you.

L.W.
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#11889926 - 03/11/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: Leanwolf]
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I am glad to read that it is acknowledged that many shows used multiple horses portrayed as one. Little Joe's paint was supplied for the show and was often a different one season to season.



My wife Gail bought one of the buckskins that Matt Dillon rode.

This particular horse was injured in a trip wire accident. She was up for auction with a cast on her hind leg. A friend tipped my Gail off that it would be a great horse to own and even if she didn't recover completely would make a great mare for breeding.

Chap did recover and was ridden by Gail for many years. She took Chap all over Calif and into Az where the horse died at age 38. The horse was ridden into Canyon de Chelly, the Grand Canyon and all over the Hopi reservation before moving to Tucson Az.

The horse was 17 hands high and had to have her pasterns trimmed as she had some draft in her to make her so large. My wife took her to the Hopi reservation in the mid 70s where she taught for several years. The tribal leader Vernon bred Chap to his best stallion. The result was a huge stunning grulla that became the breeding stud for many horses on the Res.

This particular buckskin had one rear white stocking. You can see her if you scoll down about 1/3 of page. On left hand side with left rear white foot. Caption says Matt with Buck. here:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/507499451730202943/


Edited by Azshooter (03/11/17)

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#11892266 - 03/12/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: Azshooter]
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Dang when I opened the link I supplied the horse picture moved to the right side!

My wife was so attached to Chap when she died she took several days off from work, death in the family. To this day she cannot bring herself to look at any Gunsmoke episodes or pictures like the one I found. Truly was a one of a kind horse.

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#11896932 - 03/14/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: ironbender]
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Originally Posted By ironbender
I've seen white feet that are hard and strong. I've seen black feet that are weak, soft and shelly.

Research has been done on this (IIRC, by Doug Butler) and pigment, or the lack of it, is not the cause.


A white hoof tends to have thinner hoof walls. King Ranch use to remove them from their breeding stock.

To OP, most of that older stock was big headed and raw boned, not my first choice. To me, STOLI is about a perfect horse.
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#11897980 - 03/14/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: RichardAustin]
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Speaking of the old west, Harry Vold died yesterday at 93 years old.

Well know for his livestock supply to rodeos,including the National Finals. He was born when the west wasn't as old yet. RIP Harry
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#11898012 - 03/14/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: saddlesore]
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He was born when the west wasn't as old yet.
The 'old' west was any time before color movies. grin
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#11898049 - 03/14/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns. [Re: wabigoon]
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I think Matt Dillon's horse was named "Buck".

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#11898434 - 03/14/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: RichardAustin]
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Originally Posted By RichardAustin
Originally Posted By ironbender
I've seen white feet that are hard and strong. I've seen black feet that are weak, soft and shelly.

Research has been done on this (IIRC, by Doug Butler) and pigment, or the lack of it, is not the cause.


A white hoof tends to have thinner hoof walls.


Generalizations like that have no basis. Have you read Butler?
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#11902008 - 03/15/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: ironbender]
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Hi IB, I've not read Butler, but I have picked up a lot of hooves. Is Butler a shoer? No one has lamed as many horses as shoers.
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#11902396 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: wabigoon]
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To call Doug Butler a "shoer", is the epitome of understatement!
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#11902516 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: ironbender]
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Originally Posted By ironbender
To call Doug Butler a "shoer", is the epitome of understatement!
wink


Lol....true and now class you see where most of these old time rumors and such come from.

"My dad always said".........etc. no offense to anyone's family but they're not always correct even though they believe what they're telling with all their heart.


Edited by Kaleb (03/16/17)
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#11902616 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: ironbender]
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Originally Posted By ironbender
Originally Posted By RichardAustin
Originally Posted By ironbender
I've seen white feet that are hard and strong. I've seen black feet that are weak, soft and shelly.

Research has been done on this (IIRC, by Doug Butler) and pigment, or the lack of it, is not the cause.


A white hoof tends to have thinner hoof walls.


Generalizations like that have no basis. Have you read Butler?


I don't know Butler, for that matter, I don't know the depth of the knowledge of horses on the Campfire, but if it is as full of holes as the rest of the information that is shared here, there is much room for misinformation.

All I know was this cowboy did know horses and when he told me light hooves were more prone to problems, I took him at his word for his experience. I'm sure he ate more horses than most of these drug store cowboys ever rode.
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#11903375 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: wabigoon]
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Well, I'll just ask a simple question. Do you believe the genetic makeup of an individual can influence their type (ie do you think no one is more susceptible to defects or disease than the next due to their dna. If you do I'm sure AMA would be interested in your research)?

Has Butler performed conclusive genetic/dna research pertaining to the subject? He does seem to be a hell of a marketer, but didn't see anything on him as a research scientist. I don't know so I'm asking.

Until then, I'm going to hedge my bets by going on my experience.
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#11903831 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: wabigoon]
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The information is available to anyone willing to do a Google search.

I have ever no interest in forcing you to believe the facts.
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#11903876 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: wabigoon]
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If I may interrupt this disagreement briefly , I'll throw James Steward's horse, "Pie", into the mix.
Interesting in that the horse was Steward's own horse.
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#11904294 - 03/16/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: wabigoon]
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I would have avoided the genetic makeup question too.
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#11909111 - 03/19/17 Re: Horses in the old westerns.7 [Re: RichardAustin]
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Pie was quite the horse for Jimmy Stewart. I heard of this story and just found proof.

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/21/471283190/...viegoers-hearts

"they just became so attuned to each other that in one film, "The Far Country," Stewart had developed such a rapport with him that he was able to get the horse to do something at liberty all by himself when the trainer was not around. They were on this location. The trainer wasn't on the set. And the horse needed to walk from one end of a street to another with no ropes on him or anything, and Stewart just went up to him, he said he whispered in his ear and told him what he needed him to do. And the horse did it. And everyone on the set was absolutely amazed, and Stewart just said, that was Pie. That's what he did. So he absolutely had an incredible bond with the horse"

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