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#11906347 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: SamOlson]
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Originally Posted By SamOlson
I just mounted a 2-7x35 FFII on a new .223 truck/side by side gun.

A little touchy eyebox but should work fine for what I want out of it.


I'm a huge fan of the older American made FFII 3-9x40 with ballistic plex reticle, but couldn't get used to the 2-7x. The eyebox and eye relief was not real forgiving, as compared to the 3-9x40. I ended up sending that scope down the road and continue to use the 3-9x40. I've had nothing but good luck with those.
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#11906364 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Originally Posted By powdr
Guys, the reason I'm asking is because I've always bought the best I can but just can't do it anymore. I have a S&B 3-12x42 on my main rifle, a VX3 3.5-10X40, a Conquest 1.8-5.5 and an older Burris Signature Safari 6x40. Just looking for dependable glass on some of my last builds. Just don't have any experience w/second tier scopes. Thanks again Guys, powdr


Don't laugh, but you may want to consider the Zeiss terra 3-9x42 with RZ6 reticle. I've been using those for a while now and they are damn good for the price point. While they are not a Conquest, by any means, they are still a damn good scope.. You may want to add that to your list as well.. Good luck with your search buddy...
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Originally Posted By: raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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#11906441 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I picked up a newer brand instead of some of the second tier scopes mentioned. Looking for tough and naturally less money.

I bought a Hawke scope. So far I'm very happy with it. I haven't really put it through the paces yet but the eye box and field of are good and the optics are very nice.

Hawke makes some really tough air gun scopes so I'm hoping that reliability is built into their other scopes as well.

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#11906502 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I don't know if you have ever considered fixed power scopes but, I recently installed a SWFA SS 10x42 with 30mm tube on my 7mm-08. For the price (under $300), the optics and build quality are impressive. I have several Leupold VX II's (great scopes) along with a Burris FF e1, a Nikon and others. The SWFA compares nicely with these scopes. It is my only fixed power scope and probably won't be the last. Tracking is spot-on and the reticle (MOA Quad) is perfect for hunting or shooting at longer range. These scopes are built like a tank and reviews indicate that they can take some abuse.
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#11906541 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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powdr, I have a USA FFII 3-9 plex and I put it on a .223 as eye relief is a bit shorter than the Leupolds that I mostly use.

The biggest bargin in my scopes is likely a $100 out the door 3-9 Redfield Revolution that I bought right after they were introduced, thinking it was an open box demo. Dealer said used, but there was no evidence of mounting. Clear, bright, and has withstood the torture on a Mini-14. Between a trigger job and the scope, I have a plenty accurate truck gun with the 580 series mini.

I have never been opposed to good used stuff.

Best wishes,

Jack


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#11906693 - 03/17/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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My last two Scopes have been Burris.
For the money, I am more than happy with both.

A FF II 4.5X14 on my CZ 17 HMR is bright and clear, tracks good and helps me shoot tiny groups and exacute rodents at long distance.
My son got a 10/22 for Christmas, and I said I would scope it for him.
We researched scopes in a price range, went to web sites and watched viedos.
He choose a Burris Droptine 2X7.
The thing is amazingly brite and clear for a $140 scope, it tracks good and was a breeze to site in.
They seem to be well built, have a great warrentie and I think they look good.

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#11906858 - 03/18/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I like the Burris FF scopes, and have found them to work good. I also have a Redfield Revolution, and a Zeiss Terra, both of which are also good scopes. I have a Sightron Big Sky scope that may be the best of the lot. I had a Leupold VX-1 that I sold because I did not like it, when compared to other scopes in that price range. The higher dollar Leupolds are another matter, as they are much better quality.

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#11907964 - 03/18/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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You know you didn't mention these but there were a couple of the weaver k series listed in the classifieds recently got about $100 +or - . One was a 4x the other 6x . You mentioned variables but if a fixed power is acceptable to you those would be good choices too.

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#11908001 - 03/18/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Thanks s much guys, I'm a little OCD so I'm still weighing my options. powdr

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#11909663 - 03/19/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Originally Posted By powdr
Hell Jeff, people want more for those than when they were new. powdr


Didn't know that! Hmm. Not surprised; they are amazing.

Your builds sound fun. I like the whole truck gun notion. Call it a truck gun and turn off the OCD stuff where everything has to be just so... I see the merit there for sure!
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#11910203 - 03/19/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Well, both of them ended up nicer than I originally had planned but there's a fine line w/me as to what is acceptable and what is not. I stuck w/the Buehler safety on both builds cause that's what I grew up with. I could have used a 2 position Win type safety but it would have added another $100 to each build which I didn't have to spend. Used a Shilen barrel on one I found for a little of nothing and a NOS Weatherby for $90 on the other. Bought a Brown Precision that needed some glass work for the first one and a sharp MPI for the 2nd that a man didn't have any use for any longer. Wanted to try and find a Borden Rimrock but my search on ended w/nothing. Had the brass and dies for one and the other I scrounged off the forum. Have a Zeiss 1.8-5.5, my favorite scope by the way, and this post hopefully will end w/a scope for the other. Thanks a million guys for all of the comments because of the 3 I've never owned any of the 3 but the FFII and sold it before ever range testing it. powdr

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#11912543 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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#11912590 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I had one of those 1.8-5.5 Conquests.... I agree, that a special scope right there.
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#11912625 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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#11912932 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: drover]
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Originally Posted By drover


Great Price!!

Great Scope!!

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#11913325 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Of those three for the prices available I'd go FFII no doubt. They've been excellent for me.

I'd add to that list the Weaver Grand Slam though. I love that Burris a lot but would put the GS against the FFII though I have become a huge fan of the BP so that'd edge out the Weaver.
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#11913354 - 03/20/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Originally Posted By powdr
I've got a couple of Mauser builds coming in next week. Just some truck guns...nothing fancy. I want to scope them w/what I call second tier scopes. The only 3 I'm considering are the Burris FFII, the Redfield Revolution and the VX1, all in 3-9. I would like the duplex in all. I've found they can be had for about the same amount of money...used. The Grand Poobah has already cast his vote. If you want to comment about finding a deer lease or some other cordial remark...please move on. powdr


Can't speak for the 3-9, but in the 2-7's my VX-1 is only a skosh behind my VX-2. I've compared them a lot in different light conditions, and as far as seeing a critter to shoot I think the VX-1 stuff is a very big bang for the buck.........

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#11916121 - 03/21/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Guys, I appreciate all of the offers and suggestions but like the loony I am...I bought one of the ZV3's that Doug has on sale. powdr


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#11916422 - 03/21/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Powdr. That's an attractive deal for sure. Let us know how you like it.

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#11919234 - 03/23/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I have a fullfied ll love it, the eye relief is less than a loopy. but I think its a better scope (I have both)

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#11919341 - 03/23/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: ingwe]
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Originally Posted By ingwe
Originally Posted By SamOlson



Poobs, I'm the opposite. Sometimes scopes have too much eye relief...

One other weird thing about the FFII, rather than a normal power ring selector the entire ocular housing rotates when you adjust magnification.


I noticed that too..it can be a PITA


Especially with a lens cover.


As far as a "second tier" scope goes.....I'd choose Weaver over any of the three you listed.

Now....about that Deer lease....
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#11920218 - 03/23/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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Can't beat a Leupold-- look hard and you can find a VX1 for $179ish

My slug gun, muzzleloader and 10/22 all wear one.

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#11920802 - 03/23/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: Dantheman]
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Originally Posted By Dantheman
I picked up a newer brand instead of some of the second tier scopes mentioned. Looking for tough and naturally less money.

I bought a Hawke scope. So far I'm very happy with it. I haven't really put it through the paces yet but the eye box and field of are good and the optics are very nice.

Hawke makes some really tough air gun scopes so I'm hoping that reliability is built into their other scopes as well.

Dan






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#11928084 - 03/26/17 Re: Opinions on second tier scopes [Re: powdr]
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I really like the used Conquests. Optics are eye relief are hard to beat.

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