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I won't pass judgement on all pitbulls, but I would watch for any signs that might indicate trouble ahead.

That's just it. There is rarely ever a sign that something bad might happen.

That's just it. There is rarely ever a sign that something bad might happen.

If you pay attention and read any dog you can see the signs.

That said you must learn about the breed and be very careful with a pit until you learn the dog. never let a pit run around unattended always on a leash......Always!

The other thing you can never trust with a pit is, Never ever trust the dog not to fight with a strange dog.

i won't own another.

That says it all as far as I'm concerned.

i won't own another.

I certainly feel sorry for the PB breed, the media has really done a job on them, IMO more than the breed deserves.
Thats not to say appropriate caution isn't needed, but just to say constant jelly knee paranoia and hysteria isn't...
No way would I trust a pound sourced PB to bet left unattended anywhere near a child or the infirm.

I would ensure I always had an appropriate length fixed blade knife on me If I had a PB.

you better have a game plan in your head and be ready to use it, save my ass but still had over 10grand in hospital/dr bills.

Pics or it didn't happen

i won't own another.

...you better have a game plan in your head and be ready to use it, saved my ass but still had over 10grand in hospital/dr bills.

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Rogers dog was wonderful, until it wasnt.

but their love and loyalty are just as strong.

People today equate dogs with children. That's why you'll see them referenced as "kids" "children" or"fur babies". Kids don't hold the same place in society they used to. They were inviolable. Yours or not, you protected protected them if you saw danger imminent. As a people we saw children as sacrosanct. Not so much anymore. They get pawned off off on babysitters so mommy can work a full time job. abortion is rampant. At the same time no-kill shelters and animal adoption are growing. People think less of kids and more of pets. It's sickening. I love my dogs, and God help you if I catch you torturing them. But I'd cut their throats and stomp their heads into gravy and sleep like a baby if they threatened mine or someone else's kid.

People today equate dogs with children. That's why you'll see them referenced as "kids" "children" or"fur babies". Kids don't hold the same place in society they used to. They were inviolable. Yours or not, you protected protected them if you saw danger imminent. As a people we saw children as sacrosanct. Not so much anymore. They get pawned off off on babysitters so mommy can work a full time job. abortion is rampant. At the same time no-kill shelters and animal adoption are growing. People think less of kids and more of pets. It's sickening. I love my dogs, and God help you if I catch you torturing them. But I'd cut their throats and stomp their heads into gravy and sleep like a baby if they threatened mine or someone else's kid.

The smaller dog is a pitbull basset hound btw

You're are an idiot to put your family and friends in danger. I hope you don't end up regretting it.

Only way to approach dog ownership of any kind.

The smaller dog is a pitbull basset hound btw

one of the blue lacy's i rescued last year needs a home, he tore my brothers house up, and the woman who took him after my brother..her house up, yard, she took him to a trainer and he said come get him. think he needs to be put down.

People today equate dogs with children. That's why you'll see them referenced as "kids" "children" or"fur babies". Kids don't hold the same place in society they used to. They were inviolable. Yours or not, you protected protected them if you saw danger imminent. As a people we saw children as sacrosanct. Not so much anymore. They get pawned off off on babysitters so mommy can work a full time job. abortion is rampant. At the same time no-kill shelters and animal adoption are growing. People think less of kids and more of pets. It's sickening. I love my dogs, and God help you if I catch you torturing them. But I'd cut their throats and stomp their heads into gravy and sleep like a baby if they threatened mine or someone else's kid.

You're are an idiot to put your family and friends in danger. I hope you don't end up regretting it.

That's just it. There is rarely ever a sign that something bad might happen.

Well said! It's a pathetic paradigm shift how holy animals have become and how expendable children have become.

New neighbor's pair of pit bulls attacked my JRT on my property 3 weeks ago. Owners said they were docile and had never done anything like that before. Had I not been present my Jack would have been scattered all over the place. He ended up with multiple puncture wounds and I with 5 sutures in a finger and deep abrasions on knees and ankles. If they venture on to my property again they will be shot on sight. Their owners have been warned by me and LEO.

Only way to approach dog ownership of any kind.

My Uncle Amel had a ST Bernard we loved that dog he pulled us kids around in a sled all day, he was a lot of fun and entertainment. One day he bit a neighbor kid ten minutes later Uncle Amel had him buried behind the barn.

We adopted a rescue pit about 4 years ago that looked very similar to yours. I was skeptical at first but he has been a great dog. He is actually one of the least aggressive dogs I have been around. Without a doubt, there are issues with some of them but most are good, trustworthy dogs.

We have a pitbull mix i got as an 8-week-old pup.

I never let him outside of the fenced back yard unless i was there. For the 1st 9 months or so, he would run out to "meet" other dogs walking by and I would immediately intervene (sprinting to engage). He didn't want to "fight", just do the normal butt-smelling stuff.

Understandably, the passersby did not know that hence my instant running out to secure him and apologizing profusely (then instilling h.

However, after nine-ten months of getting his head literally hammered (not literally by a hammer...just my closed hand), he learned unconditionally I was the alpha.

I had consulted a police K9 trainer i personally know. I had participated in some of their "training events" (I was a bad-guy wearing a padded suit!) multiple times. I had seen my friend use some seemingly too-rough discipline on his 105lb Belgian Shepherd (a sharp crack on the head via his 6 D-cell MagLite). He assured me the dog was OK and some needed a little more "convincing" than others.

My young children were also involved in the leash training i had learned (making the k9 sit if they pulled the leash at all) with the added pronged pinch collar to assert the dog's low position on the authority "totem-pole".

It all worked and our "dangerous" pitbull is very-well adjusted (we semi-frequently have 25-35 people at our house for my wife's work functions) and he is very social and loves being petted (and fed!).

When i am working outside on our never-ending landscaping projects/updates, he will just lay on the and driveway in the sun. If another dog walks by on the sidewalk, he remains sitting and doesn't even stand up.

But all this positive behavior came after a year of (seemingly harsh) head-cracking negative reinforcement of unapproved behaviors.

He is a superb watch dog though. Our neighbors (we share a fence with) have came up the stairs to our front door (when we weren't home) and reported he was nothing but 85lbs of popping teeth and growling/barking.

It took nearly two years for our dog to accept our friends who come to take care of our chickens (and known him since our adoption) when we weren't home. Now, they board him at their house (they have 3 very small kids) and he protects their house and kids the same and recognizes them as Alpha's.

It all takes a lot of time investment, but is well worth it.

all thats true and i did all that with mine, but one day he decided he wanted to be top dog and i had to kill him with my bare hands.

i know most will make good dogs with the right people, but if you have a male get him cut... i should of with petey.

Beautiful loyal dog. Disregard the haters. We have a pit in the family. Great big old baby.

mine was the same, till he wasn't.

This pic tells me all I need to know about this dog:



This pic makes me cringe:

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But our Pit was (is) calm as a cucumber - steady as a rock.

Until it's not...

I've seen the times when he may have - hair on his back standing up, head and tail down growling. But, he didn't leave my side.

He's four years - gonna be five soon. I know my dog. Others may not have invested the time, whatever, i can't attest to their experiences, but i know mine.

I take him to dog parks where he runs w/other dogs freely. Never a problem. Usually it's the GSD's and Rotties that are problematic. My Pit plays hard with them as they try to bite him, roll him - whatever. It doesn't work... He could easily throat them - his jaws and teeth are scary, but he really is just playful - sometimes quite rough, but playful.

3 Months ago the gf friend showed me a post, of a pitbull at a high kill shelter that was going to be put down that day if it wasn't going to be adopted or fostered. I wasn't to keen on the idea the write up said it was a 60 pound puppy just begging to be loved who was rescued from a puppy mill. Well long story short we decided to foster the dog as opposed to adopting it that way if it didn't work out we could return the dog. She turns out to be a 90lb tank of a dog, I didn't think we would keep her for a week, I made sure there was a gun available if need be. Well a picture is worth a thousand words so

Until it's not...


Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying that pit owners are playing with fire...

Meh - GFY!

J/K - no worries. I remain ever vigilant. Thanks for the concern.

If our Pit even remotely did anything that communicated non-compliance or reluctance to obey orders (which are precursors to aggression) I am watching and he gets a thump on the head. He knows to look for it. He knows when he's on shaky ground.

I wonder if that could be one of the problems with owners of strong-willed dogs. The dogs are always looking to move up the chain-of-command.

One lapse and they think they're movin' on up! It takes a willingness to invest the time to *always* not accept less than 100% immediate obedience. It can be taxing at times (like kids/teenagers really....)

I'm generally a fun-loving sorta guy - until things are such that that it is no longer appropriate. My dog knows it too.

I have posted this before but will again. One problem with pitts is their inherent 'look' Tight skin on the head does not lend itself to much expression, so when they "flip" drives from Prey got defensive ( where true aggression kicks in" ) it is hard, if not impossible to read the warning signs of impending aggression.
A shepherd in comparison is easy to read and you can see it coming 30 seconds ahead of time. Pitts just flip, and stay hard in the new mode ( aggression)

You can see it in their eyes.

My neighbor has pits (in kennels, in their living room)

They drove way out to western SD to get a bull terrier/pit mix off a reservation that was tied to a tree and left for dead.

I stopped over at their place to borrow a tool and they brought him out and said how nice he was. I was stroking him between the eyes during our conversation and he was wagging his tail.

I looked down at him and his eyes went from brownish to pure black. I told the neighbor "Get him away. He's going to bite" The neighbor said "haha no he won't, he's nice"

I pulled my hand as quickly as he went for it and only ended up with scraped fingers. Little blood.

My point is, no matter how much you think these dogs are good, you never know when there will be a fire in the attic.

Got it. And that is sensible reply. But would you trust that dog if it got loose and was running around the neighborhood with other dogs and little kids? Can you say for sure that it won't freak out like a lot of pits do?

3 Months ago the gf friend showed me a post, of a pitbull at a high kill shelter that was going to be put down that day if it wasn't going to be adopted or fostered. I wasn't to keen on the idea the write up said it was a 60 pound puppy just begging to be loved who was rescued from a puppy mill. Well long story short we decided to foster the dog as opposed to adopting it that way if it didn't work out we could return the dog. She turns out to be a 90lb tank of a dog, I didn't think we would keep her for a week, I made sure there was a gun available if need be. Well a picture is worth a thousand words so

We have a pitbull mix i got as an 8-week-old pup.

I never let him outside of the fenced back yard unless i was there. For the 1st 9 months or so, he would run out to "meet" other dogs walking by and I would immediately intervene (sprinting to engage). He didn't want to "fight", just do the normal butt-smelling stuff.

Understandably, the passersby did not know that hence my instant running out to secure him and apologizing profusely (then instilling hefty negative reinforcement).

However, after nine-ten months of getting his head literally hammered (not literally by a hammer...just my hand), he learned unconditionally I was the alpha. We also were lavish in loving on him - he thinks he's a lap dog..... at 85lbs, he's a bit much!

I had consulted a police K9 trainer i personally know about socializing and training strong-willed dogs. As I had participated in some of their "training events" (I was a bad-guy wearing a padded suit!) multiple times I had seen my friend use some seemingly too-rough discipline on his 105lb Belgian Shepherd (a sharp crack on the head via his 6 D-cell MagLite). He assured me then the dog was OK and some needed a little more "convincing" than others. He just seemed strange, but he had been a K9 trainer for over 20 years and was well-regarded in police K9 circles (he was a well-known trainer in the state i lived at the time).

He encouraged me to have my young children involved in the leash training i had learned from him as well. It was simply making the dog sit if he pulled the leash at all. With the added pronged pinch collar to assert the dog's low position on the authority "totem-pole" our dog learned very quickly who was who in the "pack" pecking order.

It has all worked very well and our "dangerous" pitbull is very well adjusted (we semi-frequently have 25-35 people at our house for my wife's work functions). He is very social and loves being petted (and fed!).

When i am working outside on our never-ending landscaping projects/updates, he will just lay on the and driveway in the sun. If another dog walks by on the sidewalk, he remains sitting and doesn't even stand up.

But all this positive behavior came after a year of (seemingly harsh) head-cracking negative reinforcement of unapproved behaviors.

He is a superb watch dog though. Our neighbors (we share a fence with) have came up the stairs to our front door (when we weren't home) and reported he was nothing but 85lbs of popping teeth and growling/barking.

It took nearly two years for our dog to accept our friends who come to take care of our chickens (and have known him since our adoption) when we weren't home. Now, they board him at their house (they have 3 very small kids) and he protects their house and kids the same as at ours and recognizes them as Alpha's as well.

It all takes a lot of time investment, but is well worth it.

Incidentally, my wife is his "favorite" and he is usually not more than a few steps from her. However, he often shadows me (like now as he lays at the other end of the couch). In fact, if i lay on the floor he will be instantly come over to me and try to lick me to death.

He knows he is loved, but had to learn the "hard" way.

Yeah.... they are the best pet ever, until they aren't.



Clyde

Your prejudgement of the dog, based on breed, caused a fear reaction in you, followed by suspicious behavior picked up on by the dog. Based on this, you should limit yourself to interactions with only the softest of breeds.

If our Pit even remotely did anything that communicated non-compliance or reluctance to obey orders (which are precursors to aggression) I am watching and he gets a thump on the head.

Reminds me of my Chinese sister in law who was certain that my Doberman (an absolutely friendly dog) was aggressive and would attack her, based on her understanding of the breed. One day, afraid of my Doberman, she arrived for a visit and slowly creeped open the door from the garage leading to the laundry room. My Doberman watched this with pricked ears and on full alert. Then, very quietly and slowly, she poked only the top of her head past the edge of the door to peer inside, just up to where one eye passed the edge. My dog immediately detected that someone with ill intentions was sneaking into the house and charged toward the door, barking and snarling. She quickly pulled back and slammed the door closed. She then concluded that this was proof he was no good and that she was right about the breed.

Act weird, scared, and suspicious around most dogs and, unless the dog already knows you, you should expect an aggressive reaction of some kind. In fact, that's how agitators behave around dogs they're assisting in training for protection work. It's designed to rouse the initial aggressive reaction towards suspiciously behaving people (followed by the agitator running away in apparent terror of the dog), which aggressive reaction is then praised by the handler as though the dog was the hero who saved the day.

Your prejudgement of the dog, based on breed, caused a fear reaction in you, followed by suspicious behavior picked up on by the dog. Based on this, you should limit yourself to interactions with only the softest of breeds.

Do i trust him with other dogs? Yep - he's always up for a game of "you sniff my starfish and i'll sniff yours".

to say I was acting suspicious is laughable and you are a F'ing Moron.