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Originally Posted by powdr
Mine is the one I have now. A Schmidt & Bender 3-12X40 w/#4 reticle. I've had it going on 16 years now and if I had a chance to buy whatever I wanted again...I'd buy another one. Some guys will dream of a certain scope all of their lives but keep on buying cheaper stuff. You younger guys take heed and buy that dream scope while your young, so you can enjoy it. powdr


Agree. I tell people all the time to buy what you want the first time and it will be cheaper in the long run.

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I think the gist of the OP is if someone is buying you a new car gratis and money is no issue, it might be ridiculously pragmatic to pick the Chevy Malibu when the Corvette or Porsche is an option. smile


I get that, but I think your example is a good example of why it would be better to have something like a Leupie 6x on a walkaround working rifle.

For actually getting to work, I would bet that nearly everyone would be more successful with a Chevy Malibu than a Corvette. Not as stylish, but probably actually gets the job done more consistently and reliably with less chance of an accident.

I can see where a simple scope like a NF Compact is just as consistent and reliable as anything else, but also gives some extra capabilities for dialing and such. I've just not seen where it would net any more actual game in the bag out to 500 yards.

Disclaimer--I have no experience with a Porsche at all!!!

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Originally Posted by powdr
Mine is the one I have now. A Schmidt & Bender 3-12X40 w/#4 reticle. I've had it going on 16 years now and if I had a chance to buy whatever I wanted again...I'd buy another one. Some guys will dream of a certain scope all of their lives but keep on buying cheaper stuff. You younger guys take heed and buy that dream scope while your young, so you can enjoy it. powdr


Agree. I tell people all the time to buy what you want the first time and it will be cheaper in the long run.


That is exactly why I purchased my March 8X80
I wanted the highest power scope I could get for my old eyes
S&B had one and I studied it on youtube because no one I talked to had even seen one. It looked big bulky and just did not look like what I wanted.

I looked at Night Force high power. Again big and bulky
I ordered my March waited for months and when I received it I was skeptical about such a high power scope in what I thought was a small package.

I took the March to my favorite gun shop and they had several Night Forces on hand.
6 salesman 3 customers and myself looked threw all kinds of scopes that day and with the exception of one salesman we all came to the conclusion that even under the same power the March had the best glass and it was the most powerful of the bunch.
One salesman did not want to put it down. I asked him what he was looking at and he told me that he was looking down a girls blouse in a gas station about 400 yards away. he said that he was so close he thought he could reach right in there. We all got a good laugh about it.

So not actually using any other high end scope other that looking through a Night Force and the March kicks my Swaro. to the curb.

If I could buy another high end hunting scope I would like to try one of March's. I was looking at them for a while and gave up due to the cost.

When I have shot with the March the highest I have been able to crank it up is between 50 and 60 my breathing and hart beat just wiggles that retical so much it drives me nuts on 80.

But 80 makes for a great spotting scope.
at 100 yards you actually look at the grain structure of a paper target. it took me a while before I figured that one out. I kept loosing the target even with the rifle in a mount.

Maybe some day I can look threw a Henzolt and compare the two

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I can understand the NF NXS and the S&B but I find it hard to believe the cheap Leupolds,Bushnells,and Weavers are the best scopes in the world for a walk around rifle.


Why? For a 500 yard rifle that you want to walk around and hunt with, I'd dare say that there is no big game animal that you will get with a NF or SB that you couldn't shoot with a Leupie 6x.

Have you encountered situations where you needed the higher-price glass in order to actually harvest game out to 500 yards?


No,but if someone was buying me anything on the market.I wouldn't choose the cheapest thing that will work.

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Years ago I bought what I wanted. It was a Beautiful Burris Sinature 8-32X. Three times it died. I replaced it with a Tasco and never had problems.

Then I discovered low light performance. I bought the z5 and discovered one does not get what one pays for. Since then I bought three Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50. Lately the March is looking good since lighter isn't available.


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Originally Posted by SKane
DD,

I think the gist of the OP is if someone is buying you a new car gratis and money is no issue, it might be ridiculously pragmatic to pick the Chevy Malibu when the Corvette or Porsche is an option. smile


Exactly right. I guess some folks just don't dream big even when it's free.


BTW,my pick would be between a NF NXS 2-5-10, a March 2.5-25X42, and a S&B Summit. I would like to have all 3 in hand first but I would lean toward the Summit because of weight.

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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Suppose someone would buy you any scope available for a walk around hunting rifle,whitetails to moose,shots from 10 to 500 yards,what would you pick?

The only stipulation is that whatever you choose,you can't sell it and buy something else with money left over. You have to use your choice for at least the next 5 years for all your walk around-hiking-backpacking hunting.



I'm not using something for the next 5 years unless I've hashed it out and beat it up a bit already. For the 10-500 yards I'll go with what I use now. I'm open to trying lots of stuff to see if it works but I gotta beat on it a bit before I commit...so for me either a 6x42 Leupold or 6x42 SS.

Lot's of $ don't count stuff I'd be happy to try but nothing I want to commit to before using it.

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It's lots of fun following these discussions. Not hard to tell the folks who have actually done the hunting described, and who hasn't.
First of all, shooting game at "500 yds." is alot different than shooting stuff in close cover. Particularly if it's dark. Then we have what kind of "close cover" shooting ? Are you on a stand, or are you trying to kill a running animal ?
Then, again, if you really want to make "500 yd." shots, particularly on big tough animals, you are going to have to practice at that range, and above all, under the wind conditions you will find where you hunt.
Ever do any back pack hunting ? Nobody comes back from a back pack hunt and buys a heavier rifle or scope for that rifle.
Just for the record, I've made kills well over 500 yds. The longest one I made was with a cheap 4X scope. On the other hand, I'd like to see the situation where a quality 4X with a heavy reticle, won't show me the details I need to see in heavy cover.
I agree with the last poster. The guy buying the scope needs to try what he thinks will work the best, and see how it fits his needs. I'd suggest he start with the mid priced stuff and go from there.
I've met countless hunters who hunt all over the world. The only ones who use expensive scopes are those who specialize in long range shooting. Most of them hunt private property, not public land. But the bottom line is they learn what fits their needs by trying different setups. There are no short cuts. E

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Suppose someone would buy you any scope available for a walk around hunting rifle,whitetails to moose,shots from 10 to 500 yards,what would you pick?

The only stipulation is that whatever you choose,you can't sell it and buy something else with money left over. You have to use your choice for at least the next 5 years for all your walk around-hiking-backpacking hunting.



I'm not using something for the next 5 years unless I've hashed it out and beat it up a bit already. For the 10-500 yards I'll go with what I use now. I'm open to trying lots of stuff to see if it works but I gotta beat on it a bit before I commit...so for me either a 6x42 Leupold or 6x42 SS.

Lot's of $ don't count stuff I'd be happy to try but nothing I want to commit to before using it.


I can see your point. For discussion I should have only stipulated that you can't sell the scope you pick to buy another with money left over.I basically wanted to know what scopes people would honestly like to own but can't afford.

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I start laughing every time I see a discussion about this. When I started hunting we all used open sights. Then we had a bid decision to make . K-4 weaver for woods hunting or K-6 for long range. When the Luepold 3x9 was introduced we were in hog heaven. 67.50 for a do it all scope.
My advise is to buy the best glass you can afford. Better to have a 1000.00 scope on a 200.00 rifle than the opposite. Hasbeen


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Oheremicus,

You sound oh so astute. I'm sure I'm not the only successful hunter who doesn't know world wide hunters who love less than expensive glass. I don't know any world wide hunter who love expensive glass 'cause I don't know any world wide hunters.

I purchased a few of the mid-priced ($1,500) and discovered one does not get what one pays for. I settled on $700 scopes that weigh 22 ounces. They are on 5 1/2 pound rifles so the finished product is still less than 7 pounds.

Originally Posted by hasbeen1945
I start laughing every time I see a discussion about this. When I started hunting we all used open sights. Then we had a bid decision to make . K-4 weaver for woods hunting or K-6 for long range. When the Luepold 3x9 was introduced we were in hog heaven. 67.50 for a do it all scope.
My advise is to buy the best glass you can afford. Better to have a 1000.00 scope on a 200.00 rifle than the opposite. Hasbeen


You're not playing the game correctly.


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I like the 4.5x14 Leupold scopes too. I can see after legal shooting hours are over. Great for the price.

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Leupold 2.5X8X36 B&C reticle


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Originally Posted by Kaleb

Have you ever heard of binoculars or a spotting scope? It's really goofy you think you need a 30x scope to go shoot a deer. You ever look around through threads or whatever and notice all the trophies killed with 6x to 10x scopes?


A couple years ago I decided to "trophy" hunt for deer. I decided I wanted a blacktail with antlers wider and taller than the ears with four points on each side. I got out early. There was heavy cloud cover and a mist that first morning. After using my b]BINOCULARS[/b] for a few minutes I found a buck. It was the third or forth place I glassed. I could see the horns were wider than the ears and pretty tall. BUT I couldn't tell if it had four points on both sides. I let the binos go back to my chest and brought up the scope that was set on 5X. I couldn't tell it had five point on both side till it was on 12X.

Then I went to another state. Since I had the "trophy" I was meat hunting. Again I found a deer while using the BINOCULARS. As I was walking to the place I was going to set up my 15X58 binoculars on a tripod a buck came in to view from somewhere. It was a three point on one side area. I could horns, but couldn't tell if it was legal or not. Up came the scope. Again I could not tell it had three points on one side until it was on 12X again. By the time I discovered it was legal I didn't get a shot. It disappeared into a canyon. Later I found one while glassing. But again I couldn't tell if it was legal or not. I put the scope on it and could not tell it had three points until the scope was all the way up to 25X. I was able to get that one.

You see, I don't need a spotting scope since I can check animals I found with the binos because I have a scope adequate for my application. By the way, I almost didn't get to kill the "trophy". If the "trophy" had one more second it would have disappeared into the forest. As it was, it still disappeared at the shot but was lethally hit in front of the right rear ham with the exit right behind the left shoulder. No time for a spotting scope; but time to verify with the rifle scope.

Another one for you. A friend of mine went on a mountain goat hunt with another friend. The guy had 7X binoculars. They found some goats. My buddy got on them with his 6 1/2-20X scope. The other guy watched them for awhile and decided which one he wanted. He put down his binocs and picked up the rifle with a FIXED 4X. Got on the goat and fired. Instantly my buddy cried out, "Why'd you shoot that one?" "It's the one I want," he retorted. "Whadda ya mean? The one you want went over to the left. The one you just killed came out from behind that rock!" In this case and the "trophy" deer case a spotting scope would have been worthless.

This buddy hunts a lot. He used to think like you. Once he found an elk in the timber as he was walking along. He couldn't make out antlers through the timber so brought up his binoculars. It was legal. By the time he got his rifle up he didn't have a shot. Now while walking through the woods while hunting and sees game he verifies the antlers with his rifle scope.

But, hey what do I know? Carry on in all your experience.


Thanks for proving 2 points.

1. Don't run schitty glass, I can count points on deer well past the average shooting distance with my 8' and my 12's. If you couldn't count points with 15s on a tripod, you need better.

2. Dumphuqs of a feather flock together.

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