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ISP's are private business and will do what businesses do, make money.
An industrious person would develop privacy programs to hide your stuff.
And so.eone else will develop a hack for that.
Welcome to the digital world
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Privacy advocate started a gofundme page to purchase the online browsing history of every politician that voted for this. Raised $91,000 so far from a $10,000 goal. That could drain the swamp.. but since it's 100% Republicans, that's not good. https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory
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If it is the Republicans that voted for this, then, yes, that is good. Are you loyal to the idea of freedom and privacy and Constitution? Or to the Republican Party and lockstep follow-the-leader? sounds like the latter.
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Did you guys see Nebhunter's post ? Where have you have been ? The "rule" prohibiting them from doing that was passed by the Zero Administration in the it's last few weeks..... Does that give you a clue ?
Do you guys know what tracking cookies are ? Every few weeks, my Anti Virus Program checks my computer for them. Typically it finds almost 40 of them.
When I look at used trucks, the next time I log on Fox News, there are the trucks I was looking at for sale.
Even I was surprised when I was nearing my 65th birthday. I got offers for health insurance from a couple of dozen companies.... How did they know ? E
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If it is the Republicans that voted for this, then, yes, that is good. Are you loyal to the idea of freedom and privacy and Constitution? Or to the Republican Party and lockstep follow-the-leader?
sounds like the latter. So you're saying you are in favor of removing all Republicans from Congress and having Democrats be in charge? Yep, that'll fix things. I mean, you'll get internet privacy and all you have to do is give up Heller vs DC, the right to have the IRS not pursue conservatives, the right to not live in a socialist country..
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anyone thinking their internet traffic was private is a fool and foollish
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The websites you visit already sell that info. So it would do nothing but add expense to the providers. Really, the website I visit to read that story knows the name of my online trading companies, the names of my credit card companies, the names of my banks, the names of my retirement account companies? Do tell how that site gets that. The browsing history and cookies in your internet browser. Use incognito browsing and see what happens.
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They are repealing a Obama rule ensuring that your online data was safe. Now, I detested Obama as much as everybody.. but wtf? ISP's will now be allowed to capture all internet traffic to and from your house and sell it off if they care to. Emails? Yep. Texts if your phone hooks up to WiFi? Yep. Everything you buy on Amazon? Yep. Everything you post here? Oh yeah. List of all banks, credit card companies, online stock trading companies, retirement accounts, etc? Yep. Hope you've never been a victim of identity theft, because combine these and your SSN and you might be living your retirement years in your kid's basement. Passed purely along party lines, every Republican voting to remove your online privacy rights, every Democrat voting to protect them. I'm at a loss here. I can't begin to fathom why anybody would have thought this was a good idea. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/28/congress_approves_sale_of_internet_histories/The US House of Representatives has just approved a "congressional disapproval" vote of privacy rules, which gives your ISP the right to sell your internet history to the highest bidder.
The measure passed by 215 votes to 205.
This follows the same vote in the Senate last week. Just prior to the vote, a White House spokesman said the president supported the bill, meaning that the decision will soon become law.
This approval means that whoever you pay to provide you with internet access – Comcast, AT&T, Time Warner Cable, etc – will be able to sell everything they know about your use of the internet to third parties without requiring your approval and without even informing you.
Your ISP already knows quite a lot about you: your name and address, quite possibly your age, and a host of other personally identifiable information such as your social security number. That's on the customer information side. On the service side, they know which websites you visit, when, and how often.
That information can be used to build a very detailed picture of who you are: what your political and sexual leanings are; whether you have kids; when you are at home; whether you have any medical conditions; and so on – a thousand different data points that, if they have sufficient value to companies willing to pay for them, will soon be traded without your knowledge.
As one high-profile venture capitalist recently discovered, your previous search history can also impact what result you see in future. Although in his case, he probably wishes he hadn't publicly criticized Apple on Twitter for giving him the details of a porn actress at the top of his search results.
The precise user profiles that can be built using this data are worth their weight in gold to advertisers, and explains why Google and Facebook are two of the world's largest companies despite only being a search facility and an online noticeboard. More to it than that. 1. Obama's rule is not now in force. - Nothing changes. 2. The argument is that the Obama rule exempts large non-ISP entities - Google, for instance, who visited the Obama WH 427 times, and Facebook.
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Today's younger generation can't stand the thought of privacy.
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More to it than that.
1. Obama's rule is not now in force. - Nothing changes.
2. The argument is that the Obama rule exempts large non-ISP entities - Google, for instance, who visited the Obama WH 427 times, and Facebook. Umm.. No. That's different. You make a specific effort to go use google or Facebook. You can easily block them sniffing your activity at other sites by using privacy/incognito mode or various plugins to browsers to prevent cookie sharing. Don't like Google, use DuckDuckGo which never tracks users. I use incognito mode EVERY time I hit a financial site. Google and Facebook have no idea where I do any financial transactions. But.. You can't block an ISP. Incognito mode or browser plugins can't help. Many people can't switch to another ISP to get away from intrusion, and even if you do, the new one can do the same thing. The closest thing to be protected under this is Tor, which was created to give internet access to people in repressive regimes, but is mostly used by criminals including child pornographers in the US. Allowing ISPs to sell your data is like allowing your phone company to record your phone calls and sell them to advertisers.
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More to it than that.
1. Obama's rule is not now in force. - Nothing changes.
2. The argument is that the Obama rule exempts large non-ISP entities - Google, for instance, who visited the Obama WH 427 times, and Facebook. Umm.. No. That's different. You make a specific effort to go use google or Facebook. You can easily block them sniffing your activity at other sites by using privacy/incognito mode or various plugins to browsers to prevent cookie sharing. Don't like Google, use DuckDuckGo which never tracks users. I use incognito mode EVERY time I hit a financial site. Google and Facebook have no idea where I do any financial transactions. But.. You can't block an ISP. Incognito mode or browser plugins can't help. Many people can't switch to another ISP to get away from intrusion, and even if you do, the new one can do the same thing. The closest thing to be protected under this is Tor, which was created to give internet access to people in repressive regimes, but is mostly used by criminals including child pornographers in the US. Allowing ISPs to sell your data is like allowing your phone company to record your phone calls and sell them to advertisers. You ignored the first point. The repeal means nothing changes. I didn't say that I support it, just that there is more to it than the lame stream media is portraying.
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You ignored the first point. The repeal means nothing changes. I didn't say that I support it, just that there is more to it than the lame stream media is portraying.
No, it does mean something has been changed. Your information is now salable by your ISP. What don't you get?
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Today's younger generation can't stand the thought of privacy. That's pretty much the way it is these days. They have been brought up on social media, and see nothing wrong with sharing everything about themselves. Just look at Facebook, or look at this site, and how some posters want the others to know everything about their lives. I'm old fashioned, as I like my privacy, and have no desire to let anyone know what I do. As far as the Senate bill goes, I personally don't think ISP's should be allowed to pass on information about it's customers. But, we elected a president who is very pro-business, and this is one of the things that happens as a result. I suspect that the average person will not be affected by this. On my list of things to worry about, this is not going to make the top 10.
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If you read what happened it was because the FCC had over reached in doing this, it was not their responsibility. This should fall under the guidance of the FTC.
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But.. You can't block an ISP. Incognito mode or browser plugins can't help. Many people can't switch to another ISP to get away from intrusion, and even if you do, the new one can do the same thing. The closest thing to be protected under this is Tor, which was created to give internet access to people in repressive regimes, but is mostly used by criminals including child pornographers in the US.
Allowing ISPs to sell your data is like allowing your phone company to record your phone calls and sell them to advertisers.
Using a VPN and proxy answers the first issue. Forget TOR. Pick a VPN provider that specifically does not log. No logging, nothing to give when subpoenad... As well, anytime you connect to a website using https, your ISP doesn't know what's being transmitted to/from your device. The ISP may certainly keep a log of what sites were visited though. But that's metadata, not actual content. Encourage your favorite websites to use https, not standard http. <cough, cough> Rick <cough>
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If it is the Republicans that voted for this, then, yes, that is good. Are you loyal to the idea of freedom and privacy and Constitution? Or to the Republican Party and lockstep follow-the-leader? sounds like the latter. That's funny chit, Leroy. You don't know much about Calhoun.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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They aren't tracking content, just the sites, so HTTPS won't matter, they still know where you went, just not what you said.
Anyone going anywhere on the internet and expecting privacy is just being silly, not happening. HTTPS can and does, protect what you send/receive, but not where you went.
Sorry, but with everything going on in life, this one isn't even on the radar of things to care about.
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You ignored the first point. The repeal means nothing changes. I didn't say that I support it, just that there is more to it than the lame stream media is portraying.
No, it does mean something has been changed. Your information is now salable by your ISP. What don't you get? I get that you don't know what you're talking about. Likely listening to main stream news. "The regulations, if they had gone into effect, would have prohibited internet service providers from selling information about your online activities to advertisers." It Is Not In Effect. Seems pretty simple.
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If you buy stuff with credit cards, there's a trail of data.
If you use a smart phone, you're leaving a trail.
If you use a 'loyalty' card at whatever stores you shop at, there's data that can be mined. (It's not magic that the loyalty coupons you get periodically for shopping at certain stores are closely aligned with your shopping preferences...and that data can be passed along.)
My understanding is that this legislation simply levels the playing field somewhat.
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