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Asking for WCH to accept our taking this off track.

Have had them all and in multiple examples of each. Beretta will usually win the long term durability race. Oil and grease them and they just keep working with little else.

Perazzi was originally designed for the rigors of high volume international trap and skeet and have proven themselves more than adequate. Beretta the same. I would disagree that either has any issues with metal hardness compared to Krieghoff. I won't get into which of the three have the strongest metal because I don't know. Will say, again, that all three have proven themselves more than adequate by hard use in competitions where weakness quickly shows itself. Those that don't hold up, don't hang around long. When it comes to International Olympic trap/skeet, Beretta and Perazzi are the ones whose users get the medals hung around their neck, and almost exclusively.


Krieghoffs are fine shotguns and I've owned three over the years. Extremely well made and extremely complicated in the German way of doing. In fact, if they were not so well made they just wouldn't work. Springs here, springs there, etc.Perhaps the best triggers of the three for let off and almost infinitely adjustable with springs. Provided you have a smith that knows what they are doing. Going inside a Krieghoff is only for those who know where they are going.

Changing firing pins or spings (leaf or coil) on a Perazzi or Beretta is fairly straight forward. Couple pins and punches and they come out. Change the firing pins on a Krieghoff and they are pretty much the last part to be removed. Then all the springs and such need to go back together in the right order. Fine shotgun, but overly complicated to the extreme. To their credit, they undoubtedly have the best customer service. Browning, Beretta and Perazzi are not even close.

Currently shooting a Perazzi. Perhaps 40 thousand thru it presently and just replaced the firing pins. The tips were getting burnt. Opening lever is still right of center. Krieghoff recently changed the hardness of their firing pins because the Spanish shells that are now so popular were for some reason burning the tips quickly.


Krieghoffs are infamous for opening up after the first firing if one is out in the rain and there is a drop of oil under the sliding cover. Usually not all the way, but you can feel it coming open and then closing.

Most of the older farts who can swing a Krieghoff, can't swing the extra weight all that well. However, the LW fixed choke Parcours have gone a long way towards addressing that.

If your friend is having that many problems with his Perazzi it is definitely an exception. They are workhorses.


All three are great shotguns but after multiple examples of each, I'll take a Perazzi.

If I wanted a 20Ga competition shotgun. It just may be a Krieghoff. They got that one right.

When I was shooting a Beretta O/U, I started out with a 686 then changed to a 682. I never made it to the beefier DT but I suspect they would be a true workhorse. International skeet and bunker trap require fast movement to the target and weight would be an issue, so I agree with the Perazzi and even the LW Parcour. For sporting clays, I have never felt handicapped with the additional weight of the K gun. I am almost into the old fart category (hehe), but that may just be an excuse for the K20.

Had a DT-10 and shot it loose rather quickly. 4 years? Perhaps an example of one. Much prefer the 2 pin lock-up of the 600 series. Acquaintances have them and have pounded them hard with what seems little effect.

Have made the old fart category and then some. Super Vet, but not exactly sure where they come up with the Super part.
Whaaat? Super I showed up.

Anyway, the K 20 is sweet and excuses are nothing more than excuses.

Kinda like when someone wished Digweed good luck. His reply? "What's luck got to do with it?"

Very interesting! Keep on always interested in guns👌

I have 4 browning citoris all have been very reliable.Love to have a Beretta 686,Kolar or perazzi but being a old bastard on a retirement income thats not gonna happen.LOL

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I was referencing the Super Vet. in the old fart remark. I am on the backside of the Vet. concurrent. If a K gun gets too heavy later, I still have my old 391 and even a NIB 391 sporting. I believe that more beginner shooters would probably shoot higher scores if they spent the money on a 391 (or similar) with an adjustable comb and the correct LOP. Buy a light mod choke and unscrew the choke on anything within 45-50 yards.

If I could get an equivalent trigger out of a 391, A400, etc that is what I would shoot. They compare poorly with crispness and the lock time is much longer. Then again, some of the guns win big with those sloppy triggers.

My current is LM/LM fixed. The vast majority of shots here on the East Coast are under 45yards. Wouldn't bother me if it was Mod/Mod.

There are a few companies that can tune up a 391 trigger group. Cole, Angle Port and Timney Gunsmithing can "help" the 391 trigger but even on its best day it ain't going to feel like a P or K gun trigger. Timney or Alum(?) made up a pull/release for another friends 391 and he shoots it well. I started going with J&P Products when I replace my 391 springs. They advertise their springs are made from "best chrome silicon wire available". They even offer P gun coil springs.

The above mentioned pull/release trigger was not correct. The trigger was a release/release as the 391 trigger only has one hammer.