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Calvin got off in the weed patch, as did Wesley,etal. Too much study of the Bible will lead a man there.

Does it matter if Jesus knows ahead of time who will answer the door when he knocks?

More importantly, SHOULD it matter?

To you?

Jaguartx: I would not argue, plead, or in any way state God's case to this AS dude. I can promise you that the Lord is on his trail and he knows God is real. I have never known an "evangelical" atheist that was sure of his non belief. He will come around if lives a while. Let us pray unceasingly for him, God will do the rest. And then let's give Him the glory. He has handled much harder cases than this.

Take the "ifs" out of your post and what is left?

Nothing.

Gus, He gives us all the choice. Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you shall find. It isnt up to Him. He made a covenant He cant go back on. He doesnt pick and choose who to save.

We make that choice. You wanna live forever? Believe. How? Ask Him to come into your heart. Ask Him to give you faith. Study His word to show yourself worthy. Then He will open your eyes so you can see.

Dont study to find fault, as some. Study to find truth. Study to find the Word. Study to find Jesus, what He did and why.

Then, turn from sin as much as you can. Become a friend of Him.

Your name will be put in the Book of Life, by YOU.

In the end, that book will be read. Some will be found alive, others will be found dead.

Amen. My intent was only to show how blind and stiff necked a person can be, which as we see, proves the accuracy.

No normal, intelligent, Openminded person can honestly or legitimately argue successfully against the bibles truths.

Luke 6:40 No student is above his teacher.

I might add, above his creator.

Unfortunately, some have experienced pain and suffering in life, and sometimes at the hands of devils
disciples disguised as 'christians' and they turn against God with a vengeance to punish Him for their slight. Unfortunately, unwittingly assisting Satan who was behind their mistreatment in the first place, thereby falling in his snare.

Thanks, Hastings, and take care, jag.

You got that backwards:



Overall, Zuckerman, Silberman, and Hall conclude that, according to their meta-analysis, there is little doubt a significant negative correlation exists (i.e. people who are more religious score worse on varying measures of intelligence). The correlation is more negative when religiosity measures beliefs rather than behavior. That may be because religious behavior may be used to help someone appear to be part of a group even though they may not believe in the supernatural.

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...relation-between-intelligence-and-faith/

And here's the analysis of why intelligent people don't need religion, but religion would still serve a purpose for those of the lower side of these measures:

The final explanation is that intelligence provides whatever functions religion does for believers. There are four such functions as proposed by Zuckerman, Silberman, and Hall.

First, religion provides people a sense of control. This was demonstrated in a series of studies conducted between 2008 and 2010, which showed that threatening volunteers’ sense of personal control increased their belief in God. This may be because people believe that God makes the world more predictable and thus less threatening. Much like believing in God, higher intelligence has been shown to grant people more “self-efficacy,” which is the belief in one’s ability to achieve goals. So, if intelligent people have more control, then perhaps they don’t need religion in the same way that others do.

Second, religion provides self-regulation. In a 2009 study, it was shown that religion was associated with better well-being. This was interpreted as an indication that religious people were more disciplined in pursuing goals and deferring small rewards for large ones. Separately, a 2008 meta-analysis noted that intelligent people were less impulsive. Delayed gratification may require better working memory, which intelligent people have. So, just like before, intelligence is acting as a substitute for religion, helping people delay gratification without needing divine interventions.

Third, religion provides self-enhancement. A 1997 meta-analysis compared the intrinsically religious, who privately believe in the supernatural, to the extrinsically religious, where people are merely part of a religious group without believing in God. The intrinsically religious felt better about themselves than the general public. Similarly, intelligent people have been shown to have a sense of higher self-worth. Again, intelligence may be providing something that religion does.

Last, and possibly the most intriguing, is that religion provides attachment. Religious people often claim to have a personal relationship with God. They use God as an “anchor” when faced with the loss of a loved one or a broken relationship. Turns out intelligent people find their “anchor” in people by building relationships. Studies have found that those who score highly on measures of intelligence are more likely to be married and less likely to get divorced. Thus, intelligent people have less need to seek religion as a substitute for companionship.

Well, more yada yada.

There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. A clue here: Wisdom is superior.

Also, you are still faced with a decision about you and Jesus. Your denial of that does not change reality. What you believe about Jesus will not change Him.

Calvinism aside, you still have the choice.

How about we start with an answer to the first proposition.

Does your God choose how he makes each individual person, or is it a random process?

Ive seen several who had no fear of death, full of talk, untill it grabbed them by the throat.

If your God knowingly created people in a manner in which they cannot be saved, and then condemns them to an eternity of torture for the way he chose to create them,
than your God is an immoral Prick.

Well, more yada yada.

There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. A clue here: Wisdom is superior.

Also, you are still faced with a decision about you and Jesus. Your denial of that does not change reality. What you believe about Jesus will not change Him.

Calvinism aside, you still have the choice.

You belive them, i will believe who made them.

There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. A clue here: Wisdom is superior.

It doesn't matter to me. If I asked Him, He would likely answer:" What is that to YOU? You just follow me."

Fully ninety percent of your fellow humans claim to know something you don't know, namely that there IS a God.

It takes a huge ego to not find that troubling.

Yep, my father told me: "They won't see the light until they feel the heat."

Sounds like God could entertain himself by pulling the wings off angels, like kids pull the wings off flies...