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Said not much was going to happen with only one carrier. Don't know if this is correct but this article says there are moving a couple into the area. What's up ? Hasbeen http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-carriers-toward-korean-peninsula-yonhap
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Just letting the little fat Korean bastard that we have more missiles than he does and that our's work.. Also giving the Chink's a preview of the shiite storm that we'll rain down on his fat ass if they don't curb their fat dog..
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A succinct, if not diplomatic-speak summation, I think! 
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I almost laugh when I read the media description of the carrier group. They mention the destroyers like they are the most powerful ship and forget the cruiser. I guess destroyers sound meaner.
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I heard one description of the Carl Vinson, a hundred thousand tons of diplomacy...  DF
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If we only really knew the chess game and all the moves, I bet some of us would be surprised from time to time.
My take, lots of things are happening, in one move, that haven't happened in the last 8 years or so.
And today in town, OT I know, there is a shack that has not taken down the hillary signs yet... today it has a sign he is not my president... hmmm pluck you, I had to put up with 8 years of your chit, good for you now you worthless government tit leach.
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I recall saying one is just a statement, two are needed for mutual support and three enhances combat operations sustainability and survivability against a serious enemy. For Gulf War one, we deployed SIX.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Also a reminder to China to be smart and play nice. Their technology is still 60 years behind ours and they know it.
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I hope this is all just a distraction while someone puts a pinch of strychnine in pudgy-poo's Scotch.
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For Gulf War one, we deployed SIX. Wow! Do we even have six carrier groups in total anymore?
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God knows what we have there....under the surface. 
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God knows what we have there....under the surface. Hopefully a few Ohio class 'boomers', assuming they are still in service? Considering who was in the WH the last eight years, I shouldn't assume anything, I suppose!
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Oh yeah. they are still in service, but this is not their game and they don't need to be even in the same ocean. Even if the gooks go nuke, it will be a "tactical" game and not strategic.
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I almost laugh when I read the media description of the carrier group. They mention the destroyers like they are the most powerful ship and forget the cruiser. I guess destroyers sound meaner. I think to the MSM, "cruiser" invokes an image of the friendly gay pickup artist in the next apartment.
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guessing the cruiser carries a few more missiles than the destroyers
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We have a carrier based in Japan. Conveniently located for just such a need. Don't forget a 'few' USAF assets located in the neighborhood. The norks are in trouble if the hounds are released.
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From Guam to Pyongyang is only 2100 miles. A flight of B-2s would barely have time to get to cruising altitude. (sarcasm)
A few properly placed Tomahawks to open the radar gates and.....
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From Guam to Pyongyang is only 2100 miles. A flight of B-2s would barely have time to get to cruising altitude. (sarcasm)
A few properly placed Tomahawks to open the radar gates and..... I think the biggest concern is Fatboy slamming Soule with hundreds of thousands of artilary shells before the B-2's get there. But, I'm sure Mad Dog and team have that under advisement. They probably have more tricks than anyone knows, Fatboy included. Hope it doesn't come to that, but this situation needs to addressed sooner than later, before they are able to perfect the really big stuff. DF
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From Guam to Pyongyang is only 2100 miles. A flight of B-2s would barely have time to get to cruising altitude. (sarcasm)
A few properly placed Tomahawks to open the radar gates and..... I think the biggest concern is Fatboy slamming Soule with hundreds of thousands of artilary shells before the B-2's get there. But, I'm sure Mad Dog and team have that under advisement. They probably have more tricks than anyone knows, Fatboy included. Hope it doesn't come to that, but this situation needs to addressed sooner than later, before they are able to perfect the really big stuff. DF Provided he can reload those artillery pieces more then one time. 
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A little gunboat diplomacy to keep the little bastid from pushing the button.
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right....
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Truth.
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George Patton wanted to whack the Ruskies at the end of WWII while they were vulnerable. He could see over the horizon.
Wasn't politically correct at the time, but there would have been no Soviet Bloc, no Cold War.
Neville Chamberlain incubated the BIG war, a much smaller operation could have taken Hitler out early on before he was given ample time to build a mighty military machine.
Hindsight is 20/20. But, here we are, what do we do with the cards we've been dealt. You gotta play the hand you're holding.
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Yep... Fired by Truman... Goes along with my previous post. DF
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God knows what we have there....under the surface. It's the Boogeyman. And the Boogeyman is real. ![[Linked Image]](http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/PUB_SSGN_Ohio_Class_Poster_lg.jpg) "The Ohio-class SSGN bristles with more conventional firepower than any comparable vessel because its twenty-four missile tubes (eighty-eight-inch diameter) were originally designed to carry enormous Trident ballistic missiles. Twenty-two of them were refitted with Tomahawk launch canisters with seven missiles each, for a total of 154 Tomahawks missiles, all of which can be ripple-fired from underwater in the space of six minutes. This is likely to be a heavier cruise-missile armament than an entire surface task force." Why China and Russia Fear America's Killer Cruise Missile Submarines
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This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Yep... Fired by Truman... Goes along with my previous post. DF Yep. My Dad who was a WWII Veteran thought the same. Truman just couldn't stand Mac's ego. If he'd been smart, he would learned how to stroke it and harness and have that tool when he really needed it. But...
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Amigo, you could not be more right. Fifty seven years ago( 1960) , I joined the Corps to go to Korea and finish that mess. I guess Vietnam payed better.
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Most of the OHIO class are SSBNs and the central component of our strategic nuclear deterrent. While some have been converted, my point to the original query was addressing SSBNs. Those we're saving for Russia and China.
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore I seems to me since WW 2 the politicians have kept the military's hands tied. I think a lot of things could have turned out different if this was not the case. Hasbeen
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore Yeah, Inchon and the drive to the Yalu was just a terrible piece of generalship. As to the PI, with no air or sea assets, yeah, it was all his fault....
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore Yep, real warriors. Google: Chesty Puller/Chosin Reservoir. DF
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore Yep, real warriors. Google: Chesty Puller/Chosin Reservoir. DF My father was a an army staff sargent who was standing on the beach when McArthur returned. He fought for McArthur all across the Pacific. Actually spoke with him on a number of ocasions and greatly admired the man. He thought Truman was a fool for not listening to McArthur.
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore Yep, real warriors. Google: Chesty Puller/Chosin Reservoir. DF My father was a an army staff sargent who was standing on the beach when McArthur returned. He fought for McArthur all across the Pacific. Actually spoke with him on a number of ocasions and greatly admired the man. He thought Truman was a fool for not listening to McArthur. In clear 20/20 hindsight, Big Mac was right, Truman just a politician. DF
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Seol will be toast. There were at least twenty thousand, yes 20K artillery pieces within range. This will be one huge mess that we once again left unfinished. Big Mac was right.... Big Mac got his ass handed to him in the Philippines AND in the Korean Peninsula. He was just lucky the Marine Corps was there, and not reading Macs press releases about what a good job MacArthur was doing. Sycamore Y eah, Inchon and the drive to the Yalu was just a terrible piece of generalship. As to the PI, with no air or sea assets, yeah, it was all his fault.... And then what happened? Sycamore
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After the drive to the Yalu and the impending complete defeat of North Korea, the Chinese entered the war with huge numbers of troops since they could not allow their client state to fall. They were possibly emboldened in this since no one had dropped a couple dozen a-bombs on their border area.
However, MacArthur and his staff believed that the Chinese would not attack in any numbers and did not pay attention to signs that they would, right up until they did.
The Chinese side of the Yalu remained a safe haven and dividing line across which we could not attack for fear of enlarging the war, so it settled into a back and forth stalemate - a tactic repeated in some ways in Vietnam with the safe havens of Laos and Cambodia.
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Said not much was going to happen with only one carrier. Especially when it's in the Indian Ocean......
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Pretty well summed up by Jim above. Further, his "defeat" in the PI, it's his fault just about like Travis' was at the Alamo. Cut off outnumbered and with no possible help for relief, he was ordered out by the President. Man, what is it with you lefties and your hatred of the like of MacArthur? Lastly and to my original POINT, had he been allowed to finish off and drive the Chinese back to the Yalu and a unified Korea, we would not be in this mess. Just another zero to the left of the period and US Foreign Policy debacles since WWII.
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...However, MacArthur and his staff believed that the Chinese would not attack in any numbers and did not pay attention to signs that they would, right up until they did.... yep, a great general, expert on asians, doncha know? check out what the Army says about it. http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/kw-chinter/chinter.htmThe initial warning attacks and diplomatic hints by the Chinese were ignored by the overconfident Far Eastern Command under General MacArthur. MacArthur�s failure to comprehend the reality of the situation led the entire United Nations army to near disaster at the Ch�ongch�on River and the Chosin Reservoir. Only the grit and determination of the individual American soldiers and marines as they fought the three major enemies of cold, fear, and isolation held the UN line together during the retreats from North Korea. Once tied together into a coherent defensive line, under new and dynamic leadership, these same soldiers and marines showed their determination to continue the fight. Hard battles lay ahead, but the period of headlong retreats from an attacking, unsuspected foe, was finally over.
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ò I recall saying one is just a statement, two are needed for mutual support and three enhances combat operations sustainability and survivability against a serious enemy. For Gulf War one, we deployed SIX. And a battle wagon! Wouldn't it be nice if we could still park the Missouri, the Iowa and the Wisconsin off the coast of NK.
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