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JR sure like your avatar and quote! He was the guy who had been there!


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
JR sure like your avatar and quote! He was the guy who had been there!


smile Thanks. My interest in Elmer basically started with my interest in handguns and a short while later expanded to firearms and hunting period. Reading his articles in various publications plus gradually acquiring many of his books became a regular search for info and experiences, some of which I'll never gain. In the early to mid 70's, I made a decision to go visit him and made arrangements with him by mail to do so. I actually met with him twice. On that 1st trip, I spent the day with him at his home in Salmon Idaho and the following photo is one I had him pose by my truck as I was preparing to leave.

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The 2nd meeting was at a gun show in Kalispell Montana a year or two later. That was just after he had been awarded the 1st Handgunner of The Year award. I consider meeting Elmer the highlight of my experiences shooting, firearms involvement and hunting. smile


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I'd like to get a SP10.
Until then I'll run Bismuth 3" mag #2's in an 1100 Magnum.

I do have an 870 Supermag for turkey, could use it on geese. Even turkey hunting, I only use 3" stuff. Reason I got it over the reg 870 Turkey model, 23" bbl instead of 21". Makes it a decent "general purpose" rig.

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Was an SP10 at a shop not long ago, decent price....but had nasty gouge in buttstock.

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JR, cool story.. met him a couples also.. Something a guy doesn't forget.. He was the greatest.. Didn't always agree with him, but he had been there.. Have many of his articles some from the old Riflemen days.. wish there was some way to get it all together in one place..


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I have a Rem SP 10 maybe some day someone will take me goose hunting


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
JR, cool story.. met him a couples also.. Something a guy doesn't forget.. He was the greatest.. Didn't always agree with him, but he had been there.. Have many of his articles some from the old Riflemen days.. wish there was some way to get it all together in one place..


;)Even to this day, he still seems to have an influence on me and some of my choices. Not long ago, I contacted the manufacturer of his holster, as seen in the earlier photo of him standing by my truck. I was pleasantly surprised when they agreed to my request to make a replica of it. The modern version has a covered trigger guard area, but they made mine the same as Keiths. Slight difference in colour but the same basic design and pattern.

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I'd have to say, the 4" S&W model 29 is my favorite revolver/handgun. And the one in the following photo is further enhanced by 'wearing' a set of S&W factory ivory grips. I lucked into those at a local gun show and they're the first and only pair I've ever seen smile .

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This Browning Auto-5 Magnum Twelve has been a goose (and duck) killing machine - plenty of used ones out there for good prices. They just keep on working and are reliable shotguns.

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JR super nice.44.


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I'll sell my Swarovski's when I have to argue they are just as good as Bushnells (or leupolds or vortex) I'll sell my ten when
a. it gets too heavy! or
b. when I have to argue that it is "just as good as a twelve"

10's (if you can handload for them) are just the cat's ass for anything big or at longer range.

Do you NEED one? Of course not but you should WANT one! Now the choice between pump/double/auto gets interesting. Nice double up above btw...

I have had 3 BPS 10's and they just keep killing birds, from pheasants to turkeys. Load down to 1-1/4 of lead (pheasants)to 2-1/2 oz for turkeys.

For honkers a swarm of 1-1/2 oz bb's at 1500+ fps is good.

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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
JR super nice.44.


Thanks. What I have, I have to use in the field be that target shooting or hunting, with one exception. Having met Keith and in appreciation of his many contributions to the world of firearms and hunting, I have recently acquired my one and only 'Safe Queen'.

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I have a Rem SP 10 maybe some day someone will take me goose hunting



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Originally Posted by llamalover2
I'll sell my Swarovski's when I have to argue they are just as good as Bushnells (or leupolds or vortex) I'll sell my ten when
a. it gets too heavy! or
b. when I have to argue that it is "just as good as a twelve"

10's (if you can handload for them) are just the cat's ass for anything big or at longer range.

Do you NEED one? Of course not but you should WANT one! Now the choice between pump/double/auto gets interesting. Nice double up above btw...

I have had 3 BPS 10's and they just keep killing birds, from pheasants to turkeys. Load down to 1-1/4 of lead (pheasants)to 2-1/2 oz for turkeys.

For honkers a swarm of 1-1/2 oz bb's at 1500+ fps is good.


You don't happen to have a YouTube channel do you?


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You don't happen to have a YouTube channel do you? [/quote]

No I am lucky to get my cell phone to work!

Just made the mistake of patterning some new 2-1/2 oz lead nickel plated #4 yesterday, and have an almond size knot on my cheekbone today...

Brought back fond memories of an old hunt when I shot 17 of them at honkers to get my limit. couldn't shoot the next day just set up the dekes and watched the show!

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Originally Posted by llamalover2




Just made the mistake of patterning some new 2-1/2 oz lead nickel plated #4 yesterday, and have an almond size knot on my cheekbone today...

Brought back fond memories of an old hunt when I shot 17 of them at honkers to get my limit. couldn't shoot the next day just set up the dekes and watched the show!


Don't get that with a SBE3......


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What are the components for that 2-1/2 oz SBE load? Would love to load some up.

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I love my Browning Gold 10 for geese, but have to admit that I am more confident with my 12ga 3.5" because I shoot it way more. I have yet to find a good trap/dove load to shoot through that 10ga which would allow me to shoot it as much as my 12ga gun.


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Originally Posted by llamalover2
What are the components for that 2-1/2 oz SBE load? Would love to load some up.


Are you guys loco en la cabeza?! crazy grin 2½ ozs. shot @ 1500fps, 10 gauge magnums that put almond size knots on your cheeks, 17 shots and you're so buggered you can't shoot the next day, etc., etc. ??? God looks out for folks like that, I suppose. Maybe not. smile


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What are the components for that 2-1/2 oz SBE load? Would love to load some up.


Are you guys loco en la cabeza?! crazy grin 2½ ozs. shot @ 1500fps, 10 gauge magnums that put almond size knots on your cheeks, 17 shots and you're so buggered you can't shoot the next day, etc., etc. ??? God looks out for folks like that, I suppose. Maybe not. smile



You've never shot s Gold 10 have you?

Less recoil than my extrema2


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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Originally Posted by llamalover2
What are the components for that 2-1/2 oz SBE load? Would love to load some up.


Are you guys loco en la cabeza?! crazy grin 2½ ozs. shot @ 1500fps, 10 gauge magnums that put almond size knots on your cheeks, 17 shots and you're so buggered you can't shoot the next day, etc., etc. ??? God looks out for folks like that, I suppose. Maybe not. smile


Gotta practice that reading comprehension stuff. I said 1-1/2 oz (of steel) at 1500 fps 2-1/2 oz (of lead) 1150 fps My point to him was there IS NO LOAD for 2-1/2 oz for a 12...

So his point was you can hunt with less gun and get kicked less, not exactly an unknown concept.

Yes I was a bit crazy back when lead was legal for honkers (1980) Being 20 aint for wimps!

I set up a cocky fella (little man syndrome) told him I was having trouble patterning my 10, wanted help from an expert...

He puffed up and shot about 6-7 as I fed him 2-1/2 oz loads as I shot 2 oz (dove loads!) I was cracking up the whole time cause I KNEW what they do to you!!

At about the 4th one he was shaking his head after the shot, then rubbing his cheek and eventually said I don't really want to shoot anymore Kevin...


Was it kinda mean? yep, Was it funny as hell?? YEPPPP!!!

And these don't compare to the 1-2/3 oz slug loads, I only had the balls to fire a couple of them and they are waiting on my blood trailing of a Cape buffalo with Capstick adventure...

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