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#11986504 - Yesterday at 04:18 AM What's next ?
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We have had ultra mags, we have had short mags, now we have Nosler mags. We have had a lot of mostly miss new cartridges in the last few years.

I have several of them, 26 Nosler, 270 and 300 WSM's. I like them, but didn't really need them.

What will they come out with next to make us spend our money?

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#11986515 - Yesterday at 04:24 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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#11986567 - Yesterday at 04:54 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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Originally Posted By hanco
We have had ultra mags, we have had short mags, now we have Nosler mags. We have had a lot of mostly miss new cartridges in the last few years.

I have several of them, 26 Nosler, 270 and 300 WSM's. I like them, but didn't really need them.

What will they come out with next to make us spend our money?


J.B. Calls this "churn", stirring up business with new stuff and making us feel like we gotta have it. Since firearms are pretty much the epitome of durable goods, and we've largely pushed the envelope as far as it can go, even allowing for new powders and bullets, I'm not sure what comes next; maybe long-action magnum ARs? I don't think the current WSM ARs are setting any sales records, so that's likely a wash.

New shooters currently running Tupperware rifles will be good candidates for upgrades in time, I suppose, but many of them might just decide that cheap and accurate is the new normal for rifles, kinda like Glocks are the new normal for handguns.

I have noticed that a couple of Euro arms companies are getting into optics and other accessories, but that's been done here, at least with clothing, with only modest results. Browning used to sell rebranded Bushnells and maybe Pentaxes, but gave it up.

Maybe it's time for a new brush cartridge.😜
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#11986594 - Yesterday at 05:06 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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With all things wonderful in the 6,5 world, I'm surprised we don't have a factory 6.5 WSM? I have two 270 WSM's. I'm thinking about having one made. I guess it would be about like a 264 Win mag? I have 3 of those, so I don't really need a 6.5 WSM, but I might have one rebarreled just for the fun of it.

You can't have too many rifles!!!

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#11986609 - Yesterday at 05:12 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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Maybe a mid-priced Ruger No. 1 clone. Something in the $600-$700 US range.

I guess a lot of people still want overpowered cartridges, but it would be nice to have a 30-30 class cartridge in a Farquharson-style rifle. Something with nice looking lines that isn't $1500.

You could chamber the usual suspects (but not released at the same time). By that I mean the 22 Hornet, 303 British, 30-30, 7x57R. Or re-release the 375 Win, 307 Win.

I'd like to see something with nicer lines than an H&R or even the new Henry single shots.
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#11986640 - Yesterday at 05:30 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: elkhunternm]
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Originally Posted By elkhunternm
Every new cartridge will have "Creedmoor" on it. wink


anything BUT creedmoor.


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#11986741 - Yesterday at 06:22 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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25 Cal: Stevens rimfire, hornet ai, Creedmoor, 308, 284, push the ought 6, etc.
Push the idea of a 22, 25, 30 Cal battery?
Light recoil deer ammo and rifle builds?
Extreme sectional density?
Of course, silencers, maybe as part of the rifle to keep barrels short?
Switch barrels with scope on the barrel? Buy a stock that fits, a good trigger, run anything from your preferred cartridge. If done with a two piece stock, as a take down, even better.
A real metal, top loading, built in rotary mag bolt rifle.
That's it, a take down, swap barrel, bolt action model 1899, tang safety, Rem 700 or Winchester trigger. Only in left hand, so the rest of you know what it's like.
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#11986746 - Yesterday at 06:24 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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Or, tho I know compared to the above, it's asking a lot...
How about some adl type rifles? Screw the detachable magazines.
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#11986755 - Yesterday at 06:28 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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My own personal dream is a fine single shot in 303 Brit. Even better would be a double. The #1 in 303 is beautiful,but how about a remake of the graceful Savage 219 in such for a much more reasonable price? The rantings of a fevered, twisted mind.

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#11986831 - Yesterday at 07:01 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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Maybe a Ruger American in 35 Rem, 338 Federal or 358 WCF matte or SS with 20 or 22 inch tubes.
Just a thought.

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Edited by StarchedCover (Yesterday at 07:03 AM)

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#11986832 - Yesterday at 07:02 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: elkhunternm]
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Originally Posted By elkhunternm
Every new cartridge will have "Creedmoor" on it. wink


You say that in jest but I think the "less is more" concept is gaining ground. So I'd look for more cartridges similar to the Creedmoor, moderate capacities but built to handle long bullets.
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#11986839 - Yesterday at 07:08 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: papat]
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The new Henry break-action looks good in the pictures, and is reasonably priced. Among the initial cartridge offerings will be the good old .308, not too far from your .303.

I've flirted a bit with old-timers (.348 and .22 Hornet), but now I'm mainly about getting the rifle I want, and almost any cartridge will do, within reason. I've seen pretty much zero difference in performance on deer between the various rounds I've used, and the better availability of components and data for standard rounds is a bonus to me.

If you can't find a .303 No.1 at a bargain price, one of the 7.62x39s might be a candidate for re-chambering. They've been on sale here and there.
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#11986863 - Yesterday at 07:26 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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A nimble double rifle in .375 Winchester.
A 2/3 scale Savage 99 for the .221/.222/.223 family of cartridges.
Plywood stocks are outlawed for sporting use.
Self-limiting/maximum pressure gun powder.
Figured walnut grown in a petri dish in a lab.
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#11986968 - Yesterday at 08:18 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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hanco,

The new trend is already here, and a general term for it might be "tactical." It includes AR's and bolt-actions with detachable magazines scopes that can be dialed up and down without wearing out, etched "ballistic" reticles, and either synthetic stocks designed primarily for prone, or "chassis" stocks that can be adjusted in various ways.

Those are the hot sellers these days (which many manufacturers have confirmed), partly because competitive rifle shooting of various kinds is becoming very popular. I suspect this is partly because going hunting has become more difficult and expensive for most Americans: It's easier to shoot on a range, and competitive shooters are far more willing to spend money on rifles and scopes than the average deer hunter. The average deer hunter tends to flinch when rifles or scopes cost more than $500, but competitive shooters are willing to spend several times that for both.
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#11987048 - Yesterday at 09:14 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: Mule Deer]
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Originally Posted By Mule Deer
The average deer hunter tends to flinch when rifles or scopes cost more than $500, but competitive shooters are willing to spend several times that for both.


I think there is also an element of 'P.T. Barnum Syndrome' and Hollywood at play as well; the thinking that money can make one a sniper simply by paying. It is both curious and a bit troubling to watch someone tinker with their shiny (or new-looking anyway) hi-tech stuff, and watching them 'carefully and meticulously' scatter a dozen holes - or a few of them anyway- across a target over a painfully long period of time.
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#11987080 - Yesterday at 09:38 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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This is a world of re-invention with nothing going on now for nearly 130 years. John Browning took the 1873 Winchester and made a semi-automatic out of it and before the turn of the century he ad a full automatic weapon functioning reliably.

Smokeless powder was invented in 1884 and put to use before the turn of the century, and so were jacketed bullets and bottleneck cases.

Today a 1911 is still considered modern, smokeless powder and other shooting components are pretty much the same as they were for over a hundred years. Improvements have been made, but other than slight modifications, nothing much is new in the last 100 years.

No complaints here though, as I still like reciprocating V-8 engines and rifles/pistols that shoot smokeless powder. I am content with the lack of innovation, and really can't call a Creedmore, Short Magnums, AR platforms or polymer pistols, innovative.
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#11987130 - Yesterday at 10:15 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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How about stretching the .284 Winchester case out to 2.53 inches and making it a .30-caliber? Or even .338? I might buy that.

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#11987160 - Yesterday at 10:48 AM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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HitnRun hit the nail on the head. We are, regardless of innovations and improvements, enthusiasts of 19th century technology.....smokeless powder in a brass case propelling a metal projectile from a hand held combustion chamber called a rifle. And I, for one, wouldn't have it any other way. Newer, better ways of propelling a projectile are inevitable...the military is already working with using magnetic fields as the propulsion force....but the rifle as I know it is what I want to play with and hunt with. I hope the industry can do enough churning to keep themselves in business so I can buy their products smile.

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#11987657 - Yesterday at 03:21 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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I want a dark matter powered, air bolus firing rifle. Load it once, hunt for life.
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#11987682 - Yesterday at 03:32 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: Nessmuk]
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Caseless ammo.

Optical rifle scopes replaced by electronic scopes with built-in ballistic calculators.
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#11987769 - Yesterday at 04:12 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: hanco]
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I think J.B. Is correct, the young guys I hunt with are into camo and black rifles. They aren't going to spend a whole lot on a rifle and scope. They aren't impressed by a Biesen rifle. They wouldn't know a pre 64 or a Sako pre Garcia. They like AR 's and bipods. I wonder if all the valuable rifles will be worth anything in a few years?

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#11987814 - Yesterday at 04:33 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: denton]
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denton,

Both caseless ammo and electronic scopes with internal ballistic calculators have already existed in very viable forms for a while. I hunted with a Voere rifle using caseless ammo providing very similar ballistics to the .223 Remington in South Africa in 1993, and it was very accurate and reliable. In fact the only odd thing about using it was opening the action after shooting a round, and not having an empty case fly out of the action! The automatic reaction is to suspect some sort of extraction problem, but there never was a "stuck case."

The ammo was a little more expensive than standard brass-cartridge ammo, but not by all that much. But despite the best efforts of the same advertising/public relations firm that was making a major success of Swarovski optics at the time, it went nowhere in the marketplace. Maybe if the rifle hadn't been European?

The Burris Eliminator scopes with internal laser range-finder that light up an LED aiming point work very well. (Bushnell and Nikon marketed very similar scopes, but somehow Burris won out.) They also provide a reading for a 10-mph, full-value wind-drift in the "viewfinder" of the scope. Another scope/rifle system has been available that compensates for moving targets.

Those scopes admittedly do not provide a reading that includes automatic compensation for environmental conditions, such as temperature, elevation and wind, but those are already included in military "target-finding" programs. Would they be accepted/purchased by civilian shooters if available in scopes?

Obviously it would depend on price, but many hunters and target shooters are already spending several thousand dollars on conventional "mechanical" scopes, then using ballistic programs in their smart phones to make corrections for environmental conditions.

Would they be willing to spend as much for scopes that do it all? Indications so far are no, but as we've seen in recent years, technology that was considered too expensive often becomes much more "affordable" in a few years.

Whether or not shooters who've spent years learning to use mechanical scopes with ballistic apps will spend plenty of money, but scopes that take over their "job" are another question. There's always some resistance to new technology. We saw it a generation or two ago with synthetic stocks, which now almost totally dominate the market.




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#11987854 - Yesterday at 04:53 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: Mule Deer]
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I know there have been several attempts to do caseless ammo, and just recently noticed (yet another!) news release that the US military may have really, no kidding this time, found their caseless ammo solution. It seems to me that if that promise ever comes true, it will change the landscape.

If electronic scopes can be brought down in price to consumer levels, they offer some real advantages, maybe enough to offset the big disadvantage of being useless without batteries. I don't know.... would customers accept something like that? Electronic triggers were such a huge hit....
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#11988064 - Yesterday at 06:20 PM Re: What's next ? [Re: denton]
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Along with electronic-ignition primers....
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