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I didn't get the impression that this reversal was intended by him to be temporary. It's possible, however, that if we hold him to his promises, he may return to his previous position. Give him a pass, and forget about it. He's under way too much pressure to go along with the Deep State unless he receives some pressure going the other way.

PS The fact that I'm overjoyed that Hillary didn't win doesn't cloud my vision when I see Trump reversing himself on central promises. Fixing the open borders issue is core to our survival, and survival is where we are at this point in history. We don't have the luxury anymore for anything short of radical solutions.

I think instead of giving up on him at every little juke he makes we'd be better off to let him do his thing and see where we are in three or four years. It may very well be that he's had to give some here to get something else there - one thing for sure is that you can't look at one thing by itself and judge his whole presidency on it. That's what the Ministries of Propaganda (Faux, MSNBC, CNN and even Breitbart) rely on people doing, it is how they manipulate them - raising their blood pressure for "The Latest Outrage!!" this week, which will be forgotten about totally next week and replaced by the newest "Latest Outrage!!".* But I sure wouldn't give up on him totally based on an article from a news site run by a powerful, manipulative person with a brand new bone to pick with Trump.


Another way of looking at his presidency. This is from a blog that started out with a title ostensibly about climate change but is really more about Trump's overall MO.


http://blog.dilbert.com/post/159824817036/how-a-systems-thinking-president-can-settle-the

This idea in today’s Wall Street Journal talks about creating a “Red Team” to dig into the climate science debate and come up with a conclusion for the public. I call that a good system.

Systems are better than goals. A goal, in this case, might be to “Convince the public that climate change is a big problem.” That’s a clear goal, but what if it isn’t the best outcome? That’s where a system (such as forming a Red Team) comes in handy. The system will solve for credibility while informing the public of whatever comes out of the exercise.

You can’t govern better than that. Period.

We have, for the first time, a “Systems-thinking” president. You see it in everything President Trump does. His go-to system involves lots of A-B testing of ideas, lots of negotiating, strict attention to the psychology of the situation, and pushing forward in ways that increase the odds of success. For example, the first vote on healthcare looked like a failure to “goals-thinking” people. But President Trump referred to the process yesterday as a system in which the bill keeps “getting better and better” as time goes by. And he’s right. That is exactly what we see happening.

You also see a Trump system in place to deal with North Korea. Instead of creating a goal, such as “Get rid of your nukes by Tuesday,” President Trump has created a system that links China’s future trade deals, and International standing, with their progress in solving for North Korea. That’s a good system.

You can tell that President Trump is a systems-thinker by looking at what I call his Talent Stack. He amassed an impressive set of complementary skills over his lifetime that would make him successful at almost anything he did, from hosting reality TV shows, to running for president. Notice that he is a good public speaker with a strong understanding of persuasion, politics, business strategy, and more. Add all of that to his sense of humor, his energy, his ability to endure brutal criticism, and his natural intelligence, and you have super-powerful person who can succeed in a lot of different ways.



*One thing I've learned over my life is to try to get news and opinions from several sources and NEVER trust any one of them to give an unbiased viewpoint.

He kept the Klintons out of the White House and is positioned to take SCOTUS and keep it out of the Leftists/Socialists hands for years to come.

Anything else he manages to accomplish in 4-8 years would just be icing on the cake.

Will we still have a country, though?

Only thing I'm concerned about at the moment is his tax plan.

The SCOTUS is yuge.

I don't see that he's broken ANY promises. He doesn't have complete control over immigration and healthcare and to the extent he has control, he has done what he said he'd do. The Dreamer Act is just one aspect of immigration overall.

As to Syria and the NORKS, he has acted EXACTLY the way I expected him to given what he said on the campaign trail.

If Trump goes back on guns, wake me up and we'll dust off Ron Paul so he can lose again.

We gave peace a chance, now it's Trump's turn.

trump fails on immigration and he's a 1 term president. ...and he may not have a republican congress in 2 years to push it thru if he keeps letting Paul Ryan drag this out , which is what I think the game plan is.

I disagree Hawk. Being president is a far different reality than campaigning for it. He's already countermanded many of O's executive orders, showed he's not "just a talker but also a walker" and in only three months. Let's give the man some time.

I do think he was perhaps a bit naive about the massive amounts of intel concerning very complicated problems he would get as president and that battling/winning congress, the press and the courts would be everyday, front line issues for him.

And I'm glad he has a heart. This immigration issue with all its many aspects including the humanitarian concerns is not his fault; it's that of generations of politicians from both sides, PAC's, and lobbyists. He's addressing it unlike so many others and I'm confident he will get some things done.

Before complaining too much contemplate HRC or Bernie Sanders in the Oval Office.

Edit to add: yes! the SCOTUS issue is YUGE with already one very good placement and most likely more to come. Again, consider just the court issue with HRC or BS in the White House.

He won't be permitted to engage in tax reform until and unless he releases his own tax returns. Which he won't ever.

No tax reform for us.

He has to get along with congress to some extent for without them he will get nothing done.

Does anyone know if the muzzy ban is headed for the SC since Gorsuch is in?

If not, we need to be asking our reps to recommend it.

Also, iirc the FanF abortion was being headed by Chaffetz. I wonder what they got on him.

Our reps need told we want that investigated.

Lets make a deal. His Tax Rs for Zeros BCert and college transcripts.

I don't know why you guys respond to this idiot's threads.

It's only been 3 months. Trump needs to deal with Congress. The key word is "DEAL".

Reagan didn't get everything he wanted either right away. But eventually he got a lot.

Exactly! Tax returns? Pffffft.

Shower guns and pit bulls.


Oh and THE JEWS!!!!

TRH - If any of this is a surprise to you, you need to step away from your Google box and attempt to re?-integrate into the real world.


How many hours a week are you in front of a computer screen?

GOD YOU'RE FUGKING RETARDED.

Tell me how the minority (democrats) in congress are going to explain to the blue collar part of their base that congress isn't going to lower taxes/reform the tax structure because Trump won't release his tax returns?

"Muh Russians! Racist! Laws are racist! He grabs pussy! He grabbed my pussy!" <-- This is all you have.

Now you can explain to us Maddow's theory of how Venezuela's rioting is Trump's fault.

Dreamers are a drop in the bucket. He's rightly concentrating resources on getting the criminals out first, picking up some lesser-threat strays on the way. Border crossings are down 70%, for crying out loud.

When Dreamers fugg up, as we saw this past week, they get deported as well. He's taking on the H1B business, returning it to its original purpose, and increasing opportunities for Americans. If they make the E-verify mandatory and put some teeth in it, job opportunities for young and low-skilled Americans will increase, and lots of illegals will go or stay home.

With Gorsuch on the court, and maybe another one this summer, we've got an opportunity to protect our rights and hopefully correct some of the worst decisions of the last half-century or so. We won't get everything we want, and it'll take time, but when your cows are getting away through a hole in the fence, the first step is to fix the fence. Trump fixed the fence.

Says who?

That's just a DNC talking point. Nobody gives a sh*t about that, nor should they, unless he broke the law, which has never even been suggested. Former Treas Sec Geitner flat-out cheated and got caught, but got off scott-free.

I fully expect and support Trump, and anyone else to use every trick in the book to save on taxes, the same as I do. All this "fairness" business is bullsh*t.