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Trump Flip Flops On Obama's DACA "Dream Act" He say's "It's a case of the heart."

Until recently informed by Ann Coulter to the contrary, I was operating under the assumption that Trump undid Obama's "Dreamer Act" (executive order) within days of taking office, as he promised. I hadn't even bothered to follow up, so confident was I in his authenticity.

All these emotion based flip flops are making it appear that we elected Suzy Homemaker president instead of the hard-nosed, no nonsense, businessman, he portrayed himself to be.

A sad picture made him cry, so he launched missiles at an Assad regime military instillation, and now this. What's next?

Let's use our political brains here. NO President is going to get 100% of his stuff done and passed. They are President, not King. While Trump may have wanted to boot the Dreamers out, he goes to Washington and finds out the there is no phoucing to do it practically or in theory. There is zero political support.

What do you do then, fight a lost cause? No, you move on! Next item. Let's see what I can do with that.

The one thing he can do is tighten up the Border, and you've seen the Left resist it mightily, AND there are many reports that just Trumps attempts and rhetoric have had illegals leave and interviews done in Mexico show many have no intention of returning. That is results.

Trump will not get Obamacare repealed. I see now that the Dems put a poison pill in it to make it politically impossible. The Dems GAVE healthcare to millions. Once given, no politician dares to take it away or they will get killed at the polls.

Best that can be down is allow people to shop across state lines and exempt people from having an ACA approved plan. Just have a minimum play
That stuff is the realities of politics.

Huh?? It's what got him elected.

Suzy Homemaker?? I bet he don't even know how to cook.

Meanwhile, the deportation of [b][color:#3333FF]"Dreamers" has begun[/color][/b]..

As long as HRC isn't in the whitehouse IDGAF.

Zero political support by the people that now count - Congress!

Wise up, booting out the Dreamers is political suicide. If Trump and the GOP run off a bunch kids, the Dems will run commercials about the "poor tragic children who are here of no fault of their own and are driven away". It will be worse than those damned ASPCA commercials with the shivering sad puppies and violin music.

You might as well ask Congress " Hey, pee on this electric fence!".
Answer is: "F.U.! You think I'm crazy?"

The people that swung this election were voters in the Midwest. WVA, PA, OH, MI, WI. They want jobs. They are 1000x more interested in the coal trains running than whose gardner need deporting.

So........TRH got took by a politician.

What is the world coming to?

looks like TRH is still a hillary fan. laughing

Yup. Plus at least one Supreme Court Justice.

That's wonderful, but drastic action was needed to save our nation from ruin, which is why we elected the man who promised it. The time is past for saving our nation by fixing the court one retired justice at a time. The time for that was thirty years ago. Too little, too late.

Dude, I just spent eight years, more if you count Bush, being outraged by everything the president did. I'm going to turn off my outrage meter for a while and accept the 80% solution for the time being.

There it is!! 'nuff said!! Besides I put dreamers so far down the to do list. Focus on legislature and the BIG ticket items.

Now we know what happened to RobJordan.

+1 I'll give him a chance. USA has more respect world wide than we have had in the last 10 years. The Kenyan made a hell of a mess, it will take much longer than 3 months to fix it.

If you folks keep giving him a pass, he's going to make a habit of breaking promises.

I will admit it is VERY early in his term but thus far, Trump has been THE best President since I was born. That includes Kennedy and Reagan.

Let's contrast him with Hillary...no new gun control and some edicts actually rolled back. No expansion of Zerocare and a serious attempt to repeal and replace. Serious consequences for enemies that have tried to [bleep] with us. I have no idea how many illegals have self-deported, but the numbers are significant. And finally, look at the economy. The stock market has upticked very significantly. Housing starts are up. Jobs seem to have turned around and we are at the very least talking about building stuff here again rather than how cheap it is to build [bleep] in Venezuala or some such [bleep].

Trump has been better than I expected.

You know what, fake hawkeye, no one cares that you are pointing out inconsistencies along the way. The bottom line is that the queen b---- is not in the WH. Trump has chosen one SCOTUS and will likely do two more. That alone changes the Country for at least a generation.
You don't understand that you can't take him literary as per the norm. But you can bust your ass trying to be critical but you'll have very few takers here.
You'll get much better reception over on the HuffPo, where morons hang out.

“There’s nothing Trump can do that won’t be forgiven. Except change his immigration policies.” - Ann Coulter

I'm not giving him a pass on anything. But I also don't expect everything to get done in "the first 100 days!"

I believe to prioritize is pretty smart right now. Especially, when he needs to win over some friends to get the bigger stuff done.

I didn't get the impression that this reversal was intended by him to be temporary. It's possible, however, that if we hold him to his promises, he may return to his previous position. Give him a pass, and forget about it. He's under way too much pressure to go along with the Deep State unless he receives some pressure going the other way.

PS The fact that I'm overjoyed that Hillary didn't win doesn't cloud my vision when I see Trump reversing himself on central promises. Fixing the open borders issue is core to our survival, and survival is where we are at this point in history. We don't have the luxury anymore for anything short of radical solutions.

I think instead of giving up on him at every little juke he makes we'd be better off to let him do his thing and see where we are in three or four years. It may very well be that he's had to give some here to get something else there - one thing for sure is that you can't look at one thing by itself and judge his whole presidency on it. That's what the Ministries of Propaganda (Faux, MSNBC, CNN and even Breitbart) rely on people doing, it is how they manipulate them - raising their blood pressure for "The Latest Outrage!!" this week, which will be forgotten about totally next week and replaced by the newest "Latest Outrage!!".* But I sure wouldn't give up on him totally based on an article from a news site run by a powerful, manipulative person with a brand new bone to pick with Trump.


Another way of looking at his presidency. This is from a blog that started out with a title ostensibly about climate change but is really more about Trump's overall MO.


http://blog.dilbert.com/post/159824817036/how-a-systems-thinking-president-can-settle-the

This idea in today’s Wall Street Journal talks about creating a “Red Team” to dig into the climate science debate and come up with a conclusion for the public. I call that a good system.

Systems are better than goals. A goal, in this case, might be to “Convince the public that climate change is a big problem.” That’s a clear goal, but what if it isn’t the best outcome? That’s where a system (such as forming a Red Team) comes in handy. The system will solve for credibility while informing the public of whatever comes out of the exercise.

You can’t govern better than that. Period.

We have, for the first time, a “Systems-thinking” president. You see it in everything President Trump does. His go-to system involves lots of A-B testing of ideas, lots of negotiating, strict attention to the psychology of the situation, and pushing forward in ways that increase the odds of success. For example, the first vote on healthcare looked like a failure to “goals-thinking” people. But President Trump referred to the process yesterday as a system in which the bill keeps “getting better and better” as time goes by. And he’s right. That is exactly what we see happening.

You also see a Trump system in place to deal with North Korea. Instead of creating a goal, such as “Get rid of your nukes by Tuesday,” President Trump has created a system that links China’s future trade deals, and International standing, with their progress in solving for North Korea. That’s a good system.

You can tell that President Trump is a systems-thinker by looking at what I call his Talent Stack. He amassed an impressive set of complementary skills over his lifetime that would make him successful at almost anything he did, from hosting reality TV shows, to running for president. Notice that he is a good public speaker with a strong understanding of persuasion, politics, business strategy, and more. Add all of that to his sense of humor, his energy, his ability to endure brutal criticism, and his natural intelligence, and you have super-powerful person who can succeed in a lot of different ways.



*One thing I've learned over my life is to try to get news and opinions from several sources and NEVER trust any one of them to give an unbiased viewpoint.

He kept the Klintons out of the White House and is positioned to take SCOTUS and keep it out of the Leftists/Socialists hands for years to come.

Anything else he manages to accomplish in 4-8 years would just be icing on the cake.

Will we still have a country, though?

Only thing I'm concerned about at the moment is his tax plan.

The SCOTUS is yuge.

I don't see that he's broken ANY promises. He doesn't have complete control over immigration and healthcare and to the extent he has control, he has done what he said he'd do. The Dreamer Act is just one aspect of immigration overall.

As to Syria and the NORKS, he has acted EXACTLY the way I expected him to given what he said on the campaign trail.

If Trump goes back on guns, wake me up and we'll dust off Ron Paul so he can lose again.

We gave peace a chance, now it's Trump's turn.

trump fails on immigration and he's a 1 term president. ...and he may not have a republican congress in 2 years to push it thru if he keeps letting Paul Ryan drag this out , which is what I think the game plan is.

I disagree Hawk. Being president is a far different reality than campaigning for it. He's already countermanded many of O's executive orders, showed he's not "just a talker but also a walker" and in only three months. Let's give the man some time.

I do think he was perhaps a bit naive about the massive amounts of intel concerning very complicated problems he would get as president and that battling/winning congress, the press and the courts would be everyday, front line issues for him.

And I'm glad he has a heart. This immigration issue with all its many aspects including the humanitarian concerns is not his fault; it's that of generations of politicians from both sides, PAC's, and lobbyists. He's addressing it unlike so many others and I'm confident he will get some things done.

Before complaining too much contemplate HRC or Bernie Sanders in the Oval Office.

Edit to add: yes! the SCOTUS issue is YUGE with already one very good placement and most likely more to come. Again, consider just the court issue with HRC or BS in the White House.

He won't be permitted to engage in tax reform until and unless he releases his own tax returns. Which he won't ever.

No tax reform for us.

He has to get along with congress to some extent for without them he will get nothing done.

Does anyone know if the muzzy ban is headed for the SC since Gorsuch is in?

If not, we need to be asking our reps to recommend it.

Also, iirc the FanF abortion was being headed by Chaffetz. I wonder what they got on him.

Our reps need told we want that investigated.

Lets make a deal. His Tax Rs for Zeros BCert and college transcripts.

I don't know why you guys respond to this idiot's threads.

It's only been 3 months. Trump needs to deal with Congress. The key word is "DEAL".

Reagan didn't get everything he wanted either right away. But eventually he got a lot.

Exactly! Tax returns? Pffffft.

Shower guns and pit bulls.


Oh and THE JEWS!!!!

TRH - If any of this is a surprise to you, you need to step away from your Google box and attempt to re?-integrate into the real world.


How many hours a week are you in front of a computer screen?

GOD YOU'RE FUGKING RETARDED.

Tell me how the minority (democrats) in congress are going to explain to the blue collar part of their base that congress isn't going to lower taxes/reform the tax structure because Trump won't release his tax returns?

"Muh Russians! Racist! Laws are racist! He grabs pussy! He grabbed my pussy!" <-- This is all you have.

Now you can explain to us Maddow's theory of how Venezuela's rioting is Trump's fault.

Dreamers are a drop in the bucket. He's rightly concentrating resources on getting the criminals out first, picking up some lesser-threat strays on the way. Border crossings are down 70%, for crying out loud.

When Dreamers fugg up, as we saw this past week, they get deported as well. He's taking on the H1B business, returning it to its original purpose, and increasing opportunities for Americans. If they make the E-verify mandatory and put some teeth in it, job opportunities for young and low-skilled Americans will increase, and lots of illegals will go or stay home.

With Gorsuch on the court, and maybe another one this summer, we've got an opportunity to protect our rights and hopefully correct some of the worst decisions of the last half-century or so. We won't get everything we want, and it'll take time, but when your cows are getting away through a hole in the fence, the first step is to fix the fence. Trump fixed the fence.

Says who?

That's just a DNC talking point. Nobody gives a sh*t about that, nor should they, unless he broke the law, which has never even been suggested. Former Treas Sec Geitner flat-out cheated and got caught, but got off scott-free.

I fully expect and support Trump, and anyone else to use every trick in the book to save on taxes, the same as I do. All this "fairness" business is bullsh*t.

Yep.

"The program has allowed at least 770,000 illegal immigrants to find jobs in major U.S. cities, even though tens of millions of Americans outside the cities are unemployed or have given up trying to find work."

- From the article

I'm going to be patient for a little longer before being too critical. But, we need a LOT of LEGISLATION if this term is going to be truly successful. If the Republicans continue to taper the pace of things, it gives the liberals WAY too much time to fabricate a favorable reality through the media. The pace needs to be rapid and aggressive so they can't keep up with it. Delay tactics is all they have. Also, next year is an election campaigning year. If the republicans don't make a significant number of things happen, they'll shift to campaign mode and get noting done.

Hahaha. Bigfish, you and me and Mooner need to go fishing some day.

So what would you have him do?

Call out the NG and start executing liberals on the White House steps.

While I would love to see Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton each get a bullet to the cerebellum, that ain't legal in this USA.

The President's power is severely limited, Thank God. Otherwise the last one would have appointed himself King for life. Just for our own good, of course.

Those jobs were available to everyone, not just Dreamers. If they didn't go after them, who's fault is that? Lots of Americans have never developed a work ethic, or lost the one they had after being on unemployment for long periods. Got a neighbor like that, and have a whole slew of former in-laws (all white citizens) that have sat on their asses their whole lives.

One thing I learned the last few years I was working is that working immigrants, legal or not, are hard-chargers that generally work their asses off. The origins of ones I worked with include Iran, Korea, Morocco, Macedonia, the Phillipines, and various places South of the border. The Bush line about jobs Americans won't do is crap, because I've done some of those jobs myself, and not just as a youth, but in my experience, most immigrants work hard and long at whatever job they can get, sometimes several. As long as they're within the law, I've got no problem with them.

By honoring the promise made by Obama, Trump is proving that he's not a racist or xenophobe, and that he is willing to give a fair chance to good people. By deporting the ones that break the rules, he's proving he means business. I never liked the Dreamer program, but compared to the other immigration atrocities, it's, like I said before, a drop in the bucket. Those Dreamers will eventually go home, as so far as I know, there's no citizenship path or even permanent legal status included in the deal.

Congress need to get off its ass and make this plan legal or kill it, taking the option away from Trump and those who follow clearly and cleanly.

Its like driving a big ship. STFU and watch it being steered!

I've long thought we should have an "exchange" program.

Less than 3 months and this is where your at? Take a frickin breath for hells sake.

It's not giving him a pass. it's reality. On another site I go to, there was a thread on, "What would you do if you were President?" All kinds of promises were made but the reality of tall is there's a group of sumbitches called the House and Senate who will give any President the big "FU" if they think it hurts their constituency or their under the table pocket books. They don't give a flying "F" what WE THE PEOPLE WANT.
To be blunt, the President cannot keep any promises if the Congress won't allow it. There is the source of the problem. Not Mr. Trump.
Paul B.

You haven't been paying attention if you think our immigration policies are unchanged. You've been so busy crying wolf over the Syrian missile strikes that you've missed all the hoopla of him deporting another DACA douche. He's not starting with DACA because of the potential legal troubles and challenges and instead going after the criminals. Every damn day there's a different dreamer being sent packing and it will take some time to wind its way thru the courts. You're sounding like Calhoun and Rob Jordan more and more. This [bleep] doesn't happen overnight with a wave of a magic wand you know.

Try and keep up or at least fight on one front at a time. Otherwise you'll spread yourself too thin like Hitler. He hated the Jews too. 😁

The illegal aliens in texas do too. Problem is, they get free kids who grow up and then their kids are all born free on medicaid and welfare. Its hard to pass up driving 2 F250s when they can work in the O field, have a $200,000 nice brick home, be unmarried, welfare gives notice of welfare evals 2 weeks beforehand, hubby moves to hotel 6 until welfare checks and reports "no sign of visible support", mom works at 5 and dime, granny gets paid by uncle Sam to babysit. Kids get 2 squares a day free in school lunch program, plus 1200/mo for 5 or 6 kids...
God Bless America. They have caught the dream.

If anyone thought that Donald Trump was going to do everything he said he was going to do if elected president, then they were a fool. Politicians, and he became one once he tossed his hat into the ring, say what the voters want to hear, and then do what they want to, when they get elected. As much as I'd like to see Obamacare done away with, there are more pressing matters at hand. He has already taken care of one of those with the SCOTUS nomination, and I think he's working on some more. The border and the Muslim problem are more pressing needs than is Obamacare at this stage of the game.

Every injunction issued by politically motivated judges and every suit brought has to be adjudicated before the deportation trains head south. I voted for Trump in the hopes that he'd get half of what he wants and turn the tide of public opinion against the liberals. He's done more in 3 months than anyone else ever and is working tirelessly to get everything done. It's going to be a long 7 1/2 years listening to liberals and neo-cons fight him every step and second guess everything he does. It's hard for me to believe a smart guy like Hawkeye is so short sided. It's a shame that there are so many short sighted, impatient people that are just waiting to pounce and criticize. The damage they do to "our" agenda is real and it's pure selfishness and stupidity that they think it'd all be accomplished inside of the first hundred days. He has abided by every promise made but has to work within the confines of our laws.

I'm going to go ride my unicorn down to the deportation station and hand out the Torah to wayward souls.

Plenty of republicans think he's a fraud also.

No tax returns = no tax reform.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Wow and Obumer didn't flip flop on ANYTHING! I give him credit he campaigned on change i just think alot of people didnt really ask or realize what that change was untill it was to late. Remember what pelosi's famous one liner was SIGN IT THEN YOU"LL FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT and people still vote for her that tells you what moroons we have in Congress and voters right now until that changes it's gonna be a tough road.

With a majority in the house and senate he couldn't repeal Obamacare. He was told to go home and get his shine box.

Tax reform is at least as heavy a lift. Not happening without complete transparency. Not happening.

Now go get your [bleep] shine box, clown.

Problem is the republicans are fighting him too. Ryan is one of his problems even if he can not see it.

And you're crazy if you think the republican congress is going to give him the money to build a wall. Our government is going to shut down in 6 days and he thinks he's getting billions for a wall.

Another epic fail.

Thankfully, the sane republicans are saving the day for America.

There's a lot of news that says otherwise. Nowhere have I seen anything that suggests that his taxes are related in any way to getting reform.

All you're doing is stamping your tiny little feet and saying "NO!"

Careful, troll, you'll wear through the soles of your Hoodie-Footies.

Like a good communist, you keep clinging to the scant hope there's SOMETHING in his taxes to prove collusion with Russia. Here's a hint: The intelligence community already has his taxes and if there was anything there they'd be screaming bloody murder.

Trump isn't going to release his taxes anymore than you'll post yours here.

The pansy commie is toeing the commie line from some of the pinko slugs in congress that there won't be any tax reform until Trump releases his taxes (works great when you're the minority, no?). That's why he's so out of breath... or he took the dick out of his mouth, not sure.

The men and women of congress went home for the last two weeks and were torn apart by their constituents demanding transparency of this president. Watch the tapes of the town hall meetings.

There is nothing wrong with wanting our leaders to be transparent in there dealings. Why defend Trump? What is it that he doesn't want us to see?

In the end it will be moot, however. His tax returns will be released directly from the IRS by court order in any number of proceedings currently pending.

He can kick and scream all he wants. Or resign. But we will see those returns.

The liberals obsessive fixation on tax returns is hilarious and Trump giving them the finger over it is even more funny. The attempt to repeal and replace was Trump giving Ryan enough rope to hang himself. The "conservative" faction and their obstruction over entitlements was a sticky subject and they'll continue to work on it and eventually we'll get something. I hope Trump eliminates the agricultural welfare and ends farm subsidies. I'd hate to think that a conservative would hold out their support for healthcare because of entitlements while still supporting welfare for farmers.

His tax returns are a ridiculous red herring considering all the required financial disclosures have been submitted. If the country demands more than the disclosures then they should enumerate that through legislation. While they're at it they should address the issue of releasing birth certificates, college transcripts, foreign student aid and whatever else is reasonable and codify it in law.

Has nothing to do with Russia. The citizens are not going to allow him to change the tax code without knowing how it will benefit him. It's unconstitutional to self-deal without transparency. Every elected official will be in lock-step on this issue.

No tax returns = no tax reform.

Get.Your.Shine.Box.

Only on 1 of 2 conditions:
-Trump releases them voluntarily
-Someone at the IRS or intelligence community releases them illegally

Find me the law where a president(ial candidate) has to release their returns? Go ahead, cite it.

Thought so, pinko commie cock sucker. "Muh Russians!!"

I heard Trump hid his tax returns under Obama's Kenyan BC, college transcripts and foreign student aid applications. Trump's taxes should be safe.

Pure B.S.

Those "constituents" are paid trolls like you making a stink for the cameras.

You've been on a site mostly devoted to guns and hunting and not posted a single thing except about politics. Just another little pu**y sitting in his pjs in mommy's basement doing his bit for the left, and a check.

They are grasping at straws since it looks like the collusion crap isnt panning out.

He's been in office for LESS than 100 days, and the KOTY Emeritus was ready to hang him three weeks ago...

What would Rand (or even Ron) Paul have done?

There's more than one way to kill a program. You can either publicly repeal it which will cost your people some votes in the special elections for congress s that are going on now and would be subject to challenge in court. Or you can just not fund it to the point it can't be implemented. Trump hasn't funded it in his budget proposal. Fairly sure he knows how to play the long game

I know you aren't an attorney. I am. Let me help you.

A plaintiff will demand to see them in any number of the current actions pending against him. A judge will order the release of those returns. The order will be served upon the IRS. The IRS will provide them directly to plaintiff's counsel. They will be a matter of public record. I will use my pacer.gov account to review them myself.

Trump can't stop it from happening. You shouldn't want him to anyhow. Moot point, though.

I knew there was something sleezy about you and not just your posts. 😉

Couldn't stay away, could you Robby?

Instead of sweating the small stuff,be damn glad of the SCOTUS appointments.Those will affect you for 20 years to come or more.

Well played, Sir. So much for the solemn promise of a prick.

I'm a huge fan of Gorsuch. The truth is that he is more down the middle than people realize. He is as qualified as one can be and his written opinions are superb. Very very smart judge.

No one should be afraid of this guy. He's a keeper.

Now now now now, you insulted him a little bit, a little bit ... you did, lill bit.

Yes. LOL.

Not going to happen. But be sure to post about it when it does, cupcake.

Oh no! Trump is finished again!

That's a REALLY nice shirt, Rob! How much that set you back at Goodwill? Kiss and make up with the sheriff yet?

AGAIN!

More things that affect us happen because of the result of some federal judge's ruling, or a SCOTUS decision than most people realize. My biggest reason for voting for Trump, other than Hillary, was the fact that he would get to appoint Supreme Court judges.

Same here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy should be institutionalized. Unreal. FOAD troll!

I know why Trump doesn't want anyone to see his returns. But why don't you want anyone to see his returns? What are you afraid of?

Give one good reason why he should not do what every president before him since Nixon has done which is to release his returns.

I've NEVER thought of Donald Trump as anything other than an egomaniacal elitist windbag, so the campaign persona he adopted never resonated with me in the slightest in terms of believing that those positions represented his core values. I think his core value is "Donald Trump is one awesome dude" combined with "I will say whatever pops into my big orange head if I think it gains me something".

Since I consider him a liar without peer I'm not surprised to see that his campaign promises are falling like confetti. Some of them- and ironically, Chris, this would be one of them- I'm fine with him dropping. However it's heartbreaking to think that his populist appeals to a truly desperate segment of our society might have been, hell probably WERE, total BS.

With Bannon on the outs he's morphing into the worst kind of knee-jerk neocon there is, as you say.

My only consolation is that I don't think he'll still be POTUS beyond 2018.

"A liar without peer"!!! Are you f*****g kidding???!!! After Obama and Hitlery??? You truly are to stupid for words. It's a shame your mother didn't swallow.

We're all upset about how much Jeff_O's vagina hurts. I'm going to make sure Hillary calls him to console him. she hasn't gotten any in a while and is feeling amorous.

Politicians are liars.

Trump is in a category all by himself. This was true before he decided to be a politician.

Springcove, I'm sure the little skank did plenty of that, too.

Trump is in a category by himself for lying.

He just tweeted again that he won the popular vote and would win it again against Hillary.

He can't get over the fact that the most corrupt politician in history got more votes than him. He's in agony over it. It keeps him up at night.

If Trump causes the Nationalists to lose their enthusiasm for him (as he's doing) he'll only be supported by the old school Conservatives in 2020.

If he only has the support of old school Conservatives in 2020, the GOP might as well run Lindsey Graham.

Here's what the Nationalists have to say about Trumps first months in office.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/04/23/trumps-latest-black-pills/

Lindsey Graham would be an excellent president. He'd get my vote.