24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#11987881 04/21/17
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Opinions wanted. Last September I took a rifle to a new local 'smith in Grants Pass, Oregon. He told me he has a CNC lathe and CNC mill so I asked him to install a brake and flute the barrel. Finally yesterday I went to the shop and told him, "No matter what state of finish my rifle is, it is finished. I want it now." He tried to do a sales job that he could finish it next week. I heard that for months. I stuck to my first statement. He handed me the barreled action; which wasn't even tightened. He wanted to at least tighten it. "No way. I want it."

To my chagrin the brake was installed at an angle in relation to the bore. That was not the bad part. With the barrel twisted out ONE thread I could move the muzzle about 3/8" from side to side. I have no idea how much undersized the threads are but think it can't be safe. Do you guys think I should figure it is like a totaled car after a wreck and toss the barrel?


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
BP-B2

Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 145
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 145
Take three Motrin

Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 21,614
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 21,614
Originally Posted by GoexBlackhorn
Take three Motrin




Think you meant Midol. It's just his monthly.


Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
After I'm feeling better, then what?


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,851
T
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,851
Sell all your guns and take up cross stitching........


.
IC B2

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
S
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
It may be better to cut the shank off, make a new one and set the barrel back and rechamber and headspace it. But before you screw it back into the receiver, turn a new shank and thread for the muzzle break too, while it's on centers of the lathe, and set it up to be concentric with the BORE, not the outside of the barrel.
You will loose about 1-1/8" to 1-3/8" of barrel length to make these repairs, but that's cheaper then a whole new barrel.

Any good smith with a lathe can do these things for you. In fact, any good machinist can also. It's pretty basic.

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
S
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
Just out of curiosity, what make of rifle is it?

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Originally Posted by szihn
Just out of curiosity, what make of rifle is it?


The action is a Weatherby Mark V six lug ultralight which had a .257SLR barrel that was very accurate. But I wanted to switch to 6.5mm so I sent it to Pac-Nor to have them chamber it and install the brake. When it came back the brake was in the package instead of installed. There is a new 'smith in town I met at the range so I figured I would give him a little business. I was amazed Pac-Nor turned the thread undersized.


The action is 1.143" diameter. There is no room to cut off the chamber end. At the shoulder the barrel measures 1.094". 1 1/2" from the shoulder it is already down to .96". This is about like a .264 Win Mag so cutting it off with adversely affect velocity anyway.


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
S
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,458
Well it may be that the barrel was threaded a bit "loose" before your new smith even had it. I see no reason he would have done anything to the shank threads.

Maybe Pac-Nor will cop a guilty plea and fit this all for you. Might be worth a phone call.

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Originally Posted by szihn
Well it may be that the barrel was threaded a bit "loose" before your new smith even had it. I see no reason he would have done anything to the shank threads.

Maybe Pac-Nor will cop a guilty plea and fit this all for you. Might be worth a phone call.


Thanks for that suggestion. I figured it would be a waste of time, but like you say, it is worth a phone call.


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
IC B3

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,836
A
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
A
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,836
Originally Posted by Ringman

The action is a Weatherby Mark V six lug ultralight which had a .257SLR barrel that was very accurate. But I wanted to switch to 6.5mm so I sent it to Pac-Nor to have them chamber it and install the brake. When it came back the brake was in the package instead of installed. There is a new 'smith in town I met at the range so I figured I would give him a little business. I was amazed Pac-Nor turned the thread undersized.


You have no way of measuring the threads so you ASSUME they are undersized...

How many barrels have you threaded again???

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 53,303
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 53,303
Put the Some Beotch together, start at the very top , load data wise .....but go up 3-4 gr. above that, and go shoot it.

Quote
I was amazed Pac-Nor turned the thread undersized.


That's a specious, and unconfirmed allegation,...something pulled out of your sorry, and hopelessly crazy ass.

GTC



Last edited by crossfireoops; 04/22/17.

Member, Clan of the Border Rats
-- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain





Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,180
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,180
Threading for a brake is on the muzzle. Fluting is on the sides.....I'm not sure how new guy can be guilty of the loose tennon.

As above, unless you have gauges or wires there's no way to know exactly what you have going on. I would guess the smith unscrewed it and spun up his work and was going to torque it up before indexing the brake when the alarms started barking that this thing is too loose. A lot of Remingtons are sloppier than the broke chick in college but shoot good.


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Originally Posted by high_country_
Threading for a brake is on the muzzle. Fluting is on the sides.....I'm not sure how new guy can be guilty of the loose tennon.

As above, unless you have gauges or wires there's no way to know exactly what you have going on. I would guess the smith unscrewed it and spun up his work and was going to torque it up before indexing the brake when the alarms started barking that this thing is too loose. A lot of Remingtons are sloppier than the broke chick in college but shoot good.


My complaint is not about the chamber end of the barrel as far as the local 'smith. That is totally on Pac-Nor. The idea he installed the brake at an angle to the bore is unacceptable. Not only that take a good look at the installation. There's actually a step down from the barrel before the threads go into the brake! Would you put something like this out?
[Linked Image]


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,836
A
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
A
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,836
Originally Posted by ringdingaling
Finally yesterday I went to the shop and told him, "No matter what state of finish my rifle is, it is finished.


Now you're b!tching that it ain't DONE right... 🤣

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,180
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,180
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by high_country_
Threading for a brake is on the muzzle. Fluting is on the sides.....I'm not sure how new guy can be guilty of the loose tennon.

As above, unless you have gauges or wires there's no way to know exactly what you have going on. I would guess the smith unscrewed it and spun up his work and was going to torque it up before indexing the brake when the alarms started barking that this thing is too loose. A lot of Remingtons are sloppier than the broke chick in college but shoot good.


My complaint is not about the chamber end of the barrel as far as the local 'smith. That is totally on Pac-Nor. The idea he installed the brake at an angle to the bore is unacceptable. Not only that take a good look at the installation. There's actually a step down from the barrel before the threads go into the brake! Would you put something like this out?
[Linked Image]


It's not finished yet. He's got to turn about. 050" off the end of the brake, time it and it'll blend. Not sure why he broke the sharp edge on the barrel....but overall it's a simple fix.


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
high_country_,

He showed me this in December. I told him that it was unacceptable. He told me he couldn't make the brake fit the barrel diameter any better. He should not be in the business.


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,016
8
805 Offline
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
8
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,016
Is that a T2 or T3? What thread size? IMO those brakes can't be tapered enough to fit smaller contour barrels. What contour pacnor is that?

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Ringman Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,769
Originally Posted by 805
Is that a T2 or T3? What thread size? IMO those brakes can't be tapered enough to fit smaller contour barrels. What contour pacnor is that?


That is a T2. The threads are 1/2X28. The barrel it previously fit had a .550" muzzle. TPac-Nor matched the Weatherby factory contour. Pac-Nor is the only company I could find which would do that. Hopefully they will replace the barrel. If so I will have Hired Gun, from here at 24 hourcampfire, chamber and fit it to my Weatherby. He is really a fussy mechanic.


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,129
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,129
JFC


Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
YB23

Who's Online Now
648 members (17CalFan, 257_X_50, 10gaugemag, 257Bob, 12344mag, 1234, 74 invisible), 2,972 guests, and 1,351 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,187,668
Posts18,399,405
Members73,817
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 







Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.077s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8993 MB (Peak: 1.0541 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-03-28 20:12:56 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS