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Good Read:

http://www.unz.com/proberts/trump-now-a-captive-of-the-deep-state/

The problem with Paul Craig Roberts and was those like him, and I have definitely been guilty of this myself, is that he assumes that he is smarter than everyone else. Look, no one believes Assad is guilty of using chemical weapons. And many don't even care. It isn't as though the deep state is fooling anyone. If you want to thank Trump for one thing, thank him for the fact that his candidacy and subsequent win pulled the mask off the media more clearly than anything else could have. Soviet citizens had more faith in Pravda than many Americans do in any media source today.

As for Trump's actions in Syria. He bombed an airfield. What is an airfield? It is in essence a glorified pasture. He didn't hit infrastructure, power plants, road junctions, barracks, government buildings or anything else that would actually harm the Assad regime. AND he warned the Russians and the Syrians in advance just to make sure we wouldn't hit anything important.

And what has been the result? In Syria, Assad is still in power. Assad and the Russians are still winning. Assad grows stronger every single day. ISIS gets weaker every day. In America? The howling media firestorm of "muh Russians" was silenced practically instantly. It is no longer a story at all. Trump is moving ahead and appears ready to make major progress on repeal of the ACA and tax reform, not to mention getting his pick installed on SCOTUS.

The future will tell the tale and there will be lots of bumps in the road and misdirections, but it may turn out that instead of being captured by the deep state, the Syria strike was the day he check mated it.

I don't see any way that any one person could come into being POTUS and not be overwhelmed by the Deep State/Elite presence that exists. They've been building this for 80 years+. How would one fill all key positions while avoiding the status quo?
At least we have a POTUS that is not 100% on board. But I don't see how it can be quelled in one term, much less 100 days.

So, whose job is it to liberate him?

Seems like responsibility falls squarely in the shoulders of American citizens.

When enough of them have had enough of this schidt, things will change.

Might take a few bullets. May involve some hangings, but things will change.

But, for most, it's much easier to sit back and watch and bitch.

So, you got your rocking chair warmed up?

Hilarious

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So, you got your rocking chair warmed up?

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See^^^, the backers have infiltrated everywhere.

What is hilarious is that you liberals believe that all of us will sit back and watch.

Keep thinking that.

"Tell them what they want to hear. Earn their respect. Then when you are in control do whatever the hell you want." Art of the Deal - Chapter 4

Some would say that applies to what Trump did to us and the election. It could apply to Trump and the deep state. Time will tell but remember, Trump's whole mode of working requires confusion, outrageous demands, conciliatory gestures, and concealment of his real purpose.

This Paul Craig Roberts dude thinks he's William F. Buckley pontificating to the Ivy League Libertarian crowd -as if there is one.

Dig this:




Let's start with two of longest run on sentences I've seen in print. Take a breath! Next, he uses insouciant twice, as if he just discovered this synonym for "unconcerned" and is infatuated with it.

Pressitutes? Don't see that one outside of an SAT prep course. Our President settles for the term "fake news" Good enough for me.

This looks like a guy who likes to hear himself talk. I can see him writing lines for John Caradine and his basso profundo voice to recite in some movie that has a courtroom.

I think I'll send him a copy of Ken Water's "Make Every Word Tell".

His prose obfuscates his message.

Yep. Reads like it was written by an edgy college kid working on a poly sci degree.

Next article in line was on the evils of capitalism.

Amazing what you can find on the innanet, ain't it?

I've met this self inflated turd many times before, just different names.

The ivory tower draws em and spawns more.

More amazing their crap actually gets read.

I've read about a quarter of it, and so far the author is spot on. I'll get back to it when I get a chance. Seems excellent.

This is very interesting indeed.

The scary thing is that people are just discovering what the POTUS has shown, and told, them he was for half a century.

i can easily summarize things in my own personal understanding.

1. there is a deep state/status quo/establishment that's dug-in.
2. trump was far better than the alternative for potus.
3. trump sold everybody a lot of stuff to get elected. enough bought it to place him in the whitehouse.
4. he'll change some things, but not a lot of things.

All well and good, but.
The alternative was Hillary.
Nary another GOP candidate would have beat her.

And one term is all he's going to get.

Trump spent 18 months reuniting the GOP, then split it again in 90 days.

The Nationalism that's growing across the U.S. and Europe is mostly youth oriented. There will be 3rd and maybe 4th party Nationalist candidates in 2020 which will take the youth vote which would have gone to the GOP.

I felt all along that DT would be a one term POTUS.
We have seen slightly over 16% of his[4 year] term. Much can and will happen over the 80+% left. Good, bad who knows?

We have the SCOTUS back to some degree. This alone will last most of my life.

"Trump spent 18 months reuniting the GOP, then split it again in 90 days."

I disagree, seems that *most* of the GOP left us several years back. Not only did they leave us, they shot us the bird on their way out.
The deep state/Elite are not going to roll over easily.

Show of hands. Who here would have voted for Clinton if Trump wasn't the nominee?

When you're preaching to the choir the outcome is guaranteed.
[you know this]

Would have been a hard choice it'd been between her and Kasich.

I was speaking of the GOP electorate being split. Trump got elected because he brought it back together.

It's obvious from many of Trump's appointments and the constant saber rattling that's been coming from D.C. since he took office that the neocons are back in control.

That's what split the GOP the first time and it's split it again.

Don't fool yourself. Plenty liberals here.

Except for all of them.

10/1 ?

Fantasy

You all do know that I wasn't on the train until the writing was on the wall[I hope].
I voted Cruz in VA's primary even though I really wanted Carson. But by then the writing was already on the wall for him.

Not a fantasy at all. Most of the rest would have beaten her worse. Trump was very controversial, and Hillary was the most flawed candidate in recent US history or perhaps all of our history. Many dems would have jumped ship for someone else much sooner and in higher numbers than those who did for Trump, had another choice been present. Most people prefer more staid and conventional candidates for the highest office in the land. This election did not give them that option.

I, too, voted for Cruz in the primary, and Trump in the general. I'd never vote for someone like the hildabeast. So now I'm all in for Trump, though I won't sing praises for his errors, but neither will I call them errors until it all shakes out. Truly, he will often be between a rock and a hard place due to the last 8 to 80 years of poor choices and no balls. I won't fault him those, and admire his willingness to tackle them. Even if it gets us all killed. There are much worst things than death.

You know, it seems like folks wanted a neocon back in office just to bitch about it.....

Democrats are easy to bitch about, that whole taxes and rights thing. No fun in that.

But a neocon, that's a different story.

All sorts of conspiracies, and deep state schit to squeal on about.

100/1 depending on your definition of liberal.

From Wiki: "Paul Craig Roberts...is best known as a journalist specializing in economic affairs from an anti-establishment, liberal conservative perspective."

Figures.

There's some smart guys entrenched in DC

And there's a real house of cards with the worlds financial and geopolitical structures

Hard to imagine anyone not being influenced by the "experts" in each of those fields

Hard to say if the other candidates would have beat HRC all I know is they couldn't beat Trump

Which I still marvel at

When trump threw his hat in the ring for the nomination I didn't think there'd be a snowballs chance in hades he'd be the eventual nominee

Trump's speaking at the NRA convention today.





Dave

Neocons.

Deep state neocons.

Or is it Dark State?

Or is it Dark and Deep?

And I have promises to keep.

And miles to go before I sleep.

remember, Yuri, miles to go before you sleep...

Jello says that's Snoop Dawg.

With the constant barrage of Trump whining on this site,

I almost wish Hillary would of won, then you might of actually had something to bitch about.

100 days, in a democratic Republic..

You'd prefer Dictatorship?

Monarchy?

Autocracy?

those leaders can really get [bleep] done.

Enough whining, Go for a walk.

"Liberal conservative" is what neocons call old right conservatives.

Kenneth I argee with you. Trump could cure cancer, give everyone on the fire a million dollars from his own pocket and get them laid by a supermodel and they would still find something to bitch about.

We have spent 50 or more years getting the country into this mess and all of a sudden the first non-politician to get into office is supposed to fix it in 3 months. The liberals and their ilk have had free reign and have controlled the political winds in this country since politicians let the Vietnam protests and TV coverage dictate which way the winds would blow.
Growing up in liberal MN we all knew that harmless liberal and it was aww that's just Uncle Bob he is no big threat. When in reality he was a instrument in the downfall of the country as we know it. The infiltration of the government by liberal ideology from the schools to the Forestry was all accomplished by old harmless Uncle Bob.

I just wish some of you anti-trump whiners would STFU and get on board because for at least the next 3 years and some change he is what we got. If you spent have as much effort that you do bitching here and started bitching at your RINO Senators and Rep's maybe some good things would get accomplished.
Something like oh maybe tax cuts or the replacement of Obumblescare you know little things like that.

Unfortunately everything I just typed will fall on deaf ears and you guys will just keep on pissing all over your own feet.

Typical blue pill rationalizations.

B, are you on the rag?

Bristoe cites The Matrix.

Trump beating up on Pocohontas again.

LMAO.



Dave

Spot on. Roberts has it exactly right.

Yeah.

So insightful.

To retards.



Dave

Need a couple more pages so TRH can bump it and say how the author is spot on, again.

Third time will be a charm

+1

Mooner is spot on.

Excellent point.

a good read

+1

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5182216/1

Here's a page 1 highlight.

author was spot on.

I'd bet a dollar to a donut TRH sucks up more bandwidth per year than North Korea.

As an American, I am thrilled to see Bristoe and TRH drop their support of Trump.





Dave

You teed this one right up. I'm gonna leave it for...

Not sure what you mean by HE split it, brother. I'm not seeing it that way.

Not for nothing, but you've been Dave all night.

Fixed it for you.

Actually, MEWT is from Strunk and White's Elements of Style.

KH taught a writing class he called MEWT, presumably, named from S&W.

GFY.



Clark

Totally uncalled for.

The Bristoe/Trump relationship was doomed to failure, red flags all around, from the start.

Before Trump, Bristoe's guy was a murderer that got away with it. Good qualification for president, but not gonna catch a lotta good press.

Remember, Bristoe liked Trump because he thought Trump would blow the place up, politics-wise.

President Trump has tried to blow the place up, but has run into the constitutional wall - the President of the United States, as far as legislation is concerned, is just some guy in a nice house.

No power, can't even introduce legislation. Can shoot it down, but that's not a factor at this point.

The libertarian non-intervention side gets pissed beyond all control when Presidents launch attacks, of whatever scale, and without regard for the reason, short of an attack on the US.

So, some people are upset.

But I don't remember candidate Trump sayin: "I'm gonna be a pussy like O'Buckwheat."

Fact is, he said the opposite, includin: "Peace through strength", bout a million times.

Candidate Trump also said he'd let the generals decide how to achieve the military objectives, rather than tie em up with BS ROEs.

So claims that President Trump violated a promise when kickin ass and takin names don't fly. President Trump has done exactly what candidate Trump said he'd do.

Also don't justify postin crap that ends up lookin like the returna RobJordan. They say sometimes ya gotta hit bottom, to realize where you're at. When the real browneye's +1'n ya alla time, it's time to cork the bottle.

That's what she said.




Dave

That makes perfect sense.
Gus...are you sober?

Who?

Total agreement.

LOL. a real estate mogul one step ahead of the DS...now thats funny...then to suggest it was even a master stroke by him.

i probably recieve a small stipend to write gobbeldy-gook. for the possibly sensible stuff, not a red cent.

I support what he stood for, and to the extent he sticks to it, I support him. He's looking good on gun rights issues, and I give him a C+ on the border and immigration (better than the F- Obama, Hilary, or most of the other Republican hopefuls would get from me). He's done some good things, but has apparently totally caved on foreign policy to the deep state neocons. On that he gets an F.

I've never been a cult of personality type of supporter of political candidates, as some of you apparently are vis-a-vis Trump. For me, it's always about the extent to which they are America-First/conservative/nationalist vs Israel-First/leftist/globalist.

Yeah, nothing crazy about that post. Perhaps it's not really Gus behind the keyboard.

Trump is sticking to his promise to find the next Patton and kick some foreign ass.

And he has always supported Israel.

You don't have the first damn clue about much of anything and I'm glad to see you and your fellow kooks move away from Trump.

We don't (and never did) need you.



Dave

I don't think Trump would have made it without the America-Firsters/anti-globalists, Dave.

Enjoy your complaining.





Dave

Not only do I not enjoy it, it causes me untold grief that he has reversed himself on so much we were counting on and hoping for. The latest is NAFTA.

The good part of this whole clusterfug is, I don't have to be interested in politics any longer.

When a wealthy candidate like Trump waltzes across country for 18 months talking loud and proud about Nationalism/Populism, then comes into office and declares himself a Globalist, I know that we're well and truly fugged and there's no reason to concern myself with any belief that any answer to the country's problems can be obtained via politics.

Does this mean the end of threads with manipulated titles and the body simply saying "A good read" with a link to some arcane kookista with a new roll of tin foil?

Bristoe, with all due respect.. WTF are you talking about?

"Globalism refers to a group of ideologies that advocate the concept of globalization. It tends to advocate for such policies as (1) increases in immigration, (2) free trade, (3) lowering tariffs, (4) interventionism and (5) global governance. It is typically viewed as opposite of nationalism, and has become increasingly divisive in politics in many developed countries, such as the United States." - wikipedia

He campaigned as anti-globalist, but has been compromising (and in some cases reversing himself) on all points associated with globalism since he took office.

No. He hasn't. That's what I'm talking about.

(1) “Since Trump was inaugurated, 1,401 Syrian refugees have been resettled, State Department figures as of Wednesday reveal. This is more than double the 625 Syrian refugees resettled under President Obama in the same time frame last year.” Link

(2) "Trump agrees 'not to terminate NAFTA at this time.'" Link

(3) "Trump's sudden reversal on Chinese trade disappoints steel workers." Link

(4) "Trump’s Colossal Reversal on Syrian Military Intervention." Link

(5) "In Bizarre Reversal, Trump Seeks to Empower UN." Link

Have you ever heard the word CONGRESS? Or NEGOTIATION?

Anybody that doesn't understand he can't do it by himself is a raging fool.

And your point is ....?

You said he hadn't reversed himself on globalism. I provided examples on all five major points of globalism where he reversed his stance.

Yet everyone knows (including you) that this isn't the last thread you'll start that involves politics.

the potus and his cadre have hit the wall with the anti-immigration eo he issued. his heart was in the right place, the court disagreed.

and recently, the 9th circuit bit of disagreement.

it'd be foolish to think things could be reversed in a mere 100 days. like the islamacist conflict, this could go on for ages, more or less. this point has taken literally 65-70 years to build up (about two or three generations). and starting at 1964, about 2 generations. this is a culture war, and there'll be ebb & flow. while trump hasn't precipitated a civil war, not yet anyways, there's no blood running in the streets and yet change is happening. how could that be a bad thing?

give him time, meanwhile he will continue to depend upon the rank & file to see this thing through. that means being inclusive to a bunch of blue-collar previous democrats.

Local Dirt??

First, the Russia thing hasn't gone away. Not even close.

Second, he CHECKMATED the deep state with a podunk-ass missile strike? Are you [bleep] kidding?!

The cult of personality around this guy is astounding.

Hell Pat... I thought (think) Trump was a lying POS and I still didn't vote for Clinton- who's also a lying POS.

What is a bit astonishing to me is that some of the most tinfoil-hat MF'ers we have here bought into his BS hook, line, sinker, and the bait bucket up on shore.

Powell, Bristoe, J-O, and TRH finally have something in common.

A vagina.

Kudos to all.




Dave