Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Is a frugal person a bad citizen?

The counter point argument is that it favors the 1% because they pend so little % of their income while the lower and middle income people spend most of what they make just paying the bills I.e.all f their income is taxed while the rich persons income is not. Having traveled to countries where a vat tax is common, most people don't seem to like it in my observation. Our Canadian friends can probably offer more meaningful comment on this.

Bad citizens are the ones who use the government to enrich themselves.

Everybody seems to forget its their money. If they don't want to contribute to the common good{ wasteful spending and big government} and does so by living a very modest lifestyle, good for them.

They already are to some extent with the way they figure income tax on it. I currently pay back between 20-25% of what me and the wife get. It varies from year to year some. miles

If you do not consume resources at a terrific rate, you are not a good citizen.

Well let's see, in Arkansas you have Federal income tax, State income tax, Social Security, sales tax up to 15% in some cities, on Hotels/Motels and food joints. Then a pretty high highway tax on fuel, plus the federal tax. When you figure everything you pay taxes on, about the only thing left to tax is the tax itself. Gonna be a problem when they get 100% of your money in taxes and then expect you to pay a tax on that. miles

Bad citizens are the ones who want to dictate how you live.

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Folks need to live the way it makes them happy

Not someone else

It's a huge component of freedom imo

I fully expect them to means test SS and us not to get it I've paid in 15% of my salary for over 30 years

I also fully expect not to send the govt another thin dime in taxes if they do

I'll be a bit old to go to war with the us govt but figure it beats the f outa dying in a nursing home

It's the basis of the "Fair Tax" proposal.

No IRS, no tax accountants. It would eliminate about 3% of the US employment just through reduced regulation and compliance.

Probably get another 5 to 10% jump in economic activity from people spending money on how they want to spend it, rather than trying to avoid taxes.

I'm a pretty big proponent.

Very true.

bangeye,

you bring up a good point.

It appears, as a society, there will always be a need to give a break of some sort to the lower income folks? Perhaps, in a consumption tax world, by not taxing (or only taxing a portion of?) life necessities, like a maximum number of electrical use before the tax starts, or an allowance on food per person. Seems a person living on a limited income will probably live in a smaller domicile and therefor use less electricity/heating fuel/etc than the "rich folks on the hill' in the mansion with 10 bedrooms, only 2 of which are used regularly, a ten car garage, heated of course, and a large landscaped yard needing way more water than the average home.

One thing many/most of us agree on, the present system appears, at times, unfair.

Geno

In order to make that work...everyone would have to earn equal income reguardless of the work they do. Everyone would make the same...be taxed the same...the utopian goal of income equality reached...khum by yah. No need for safe places, black lives matter, no white privilege, and women make the same amout as men, noone is triggered.

Of course not. Govt. will waste most of what is collected, so think of living in a way that provides less for the govt. as tough love.

Don't enable politicians.