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I use Hornady 195gr. and Rem. 185 gr. Core Lokt. RL-15 Powder and Fed. Gold Medal Match Primers. Works good for Me. Mauser 98 Sporterized.

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I have the same rifle. I've never used TAC powder but my favorite load has been the 180gr TSX in front of 49gr of Varget. This produced 2755 fps and 1.25" groups. This is fast becomming my favorite rifle.

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Originally Posted by CGPAUL
I bought a Rem. 700 Classic this past spring in this chambering. The rifle has a 24 inch barrel,... In particular, with 150 grn bullets, using TAC powder, reaching close to 3k and with 4064 and 180`s, close to 2900 fps. None of the usual high pressure indicators present in either load.
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CGPAUL,

I also have a Rem 700 Classic in 8x57JS. A 180 gr at 2900 fps seems a little hot to me. I haven't done any load development with bullets lighter than 195 grs, though. I use the following table as a guideline when working up loads as to about what velocities can reasonably be expected with various bullet weights in the 8x57.

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I chronographed some of the S&B 196 gr SPCE factory ammo from my rifle and the instrumental average velocity was 2647 fps. (Factory spec is 2592 fps as shown in the table.) Extreme spread was 31 fps with a stand deviation of 10 fps.

Back in 2005, I used a 220 gr Woodleigh RN in my 8x57 at 2400 fps (chrono average 2402) on a couple of Warthog and Impala in South Africa. It worked like a charm. I did most of my hunting with my CZ 550 in 9.3x62 on that trip but took along my Rem 700 in 8x57 as a backup rifle.

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Warthog - Rem 700 Classic in 8x57
The 220 gr Woodleigh RN at 2400 fps knocks the snot out of Warthogs! grin
(He went about 10 yards after my shot and this is the position we found him in.)


Here's an article that you may enjoy:
Remington's 8x57 Classic
by Layne Simpson
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/classic_062804/

And some 8x57JS load data:
http://www.realguns.com/loads/8x57mmjs.htm

The 8x57 has become one of my favorite cartridges.

Cheers!
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I had the same results. 2675 fps with a 200 grainer is about 72000 for me. 2600 is the low 60's, a fine critter killin' load
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Anyone use & like the Speer 170s?

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I don't know about 170s, however, 50-51g IMR4064 and a 150g Speer Spire point is ~2900fps. This load closely duplicates the original military specs for the 154g 8mm of WWII. The only thing I wonder about, and haven't checked, is the twist rate of the Remington 700 vs the k98k.

I think the 8x57 is underrated.

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June 6th, the WWll German infantry loading was a 198gr Schwerer Spitzgeschoss-HEAVY pointed bullet. The WWl loading in the GEW 98 with the 29" barrel was the 154gr at 2900fps. Murderous at range and penetrated cover distressingly well.


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Bob..thanks for the interesting articles..
This rifle is going with me to Wy. in a few weeks. Hope to get either deer and/or goats.
I had fun working up various loads in this rifle...and the thing I really like, should I convert to 8mmAI, Remington has given me more that enough room in bolt throw and mag. length to best utilize longer bullets in the 06 case!
It`s also interesting to note the differences in rifles by the experiences of othere in load developement. I`m not a hot-roder, but due think one should get the most out of "load developement" for their particular gun.

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This is one thread that I found real interesting. I became a fan of the 8x57 when I started handloading for one. Ten years ago I picked up a K98 as part of a trade at a gun show. It's one of the German built ones that were rebuilt in Yugoslavia after the war, ( see page 128 of "Mauser Bolt Rifles", by Ludwig Olson). and they also ground all the original German markings off. But at least they did a nice rebarrel job on it. The thing absolutely loves Sierra 8mm 150 gr. spitzers (Sierra #2400) in front of 53 grains of H-380 for about 2697 fps average from a 23 inch barrel. That should be a safe load in any sound 98 action as my old Sierra manual (the 50th anniversary manual) lists 55.1 grains as max with that combo. Good luck with yours in Wy. in a few weeks. I was out there last October but I was either totin' my 25-06 or my 300 WSM. The 8x57 should do O.K. with decent handloads as the factory hunting ammo ain't worth squat 'cause they don't load it to anywhere near what that cartridge is capable of, probly cause of product liability concerns with some of the older worn out junk that some people shoot.

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Originally Posted by CGPAUL
Steelhead...I`ve not tried them, TSX`s. How did they shoot...problems?


Sorry, just seeing this. Nope, no problems and they shot just fine.


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I've posted this before. I did some wet newspaper testing before I went on a Red Stag Hunt to Argentina. I was useing a 8x57 196gr. S&B SPCE and a 300 Win.Mag. Fed. High Energy 180gr. Nosler Part..
The Partitions penetrated further but all had spewed Their core.
The S&B's were not much farther behind The Partitions, and seemed to hold together pretty well. One had a mushroom about the size of a large Quarter - Very Impressive. Needles to Say, I ended up taking The 300. Just couldn't stand the thought of My cherished Mauser getting Lost.

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Yes, I`m very satisfied with the way this rifle/cartridge performs with 150 Hornadys at 300yrds. Will you believe me when I say MOA. So, I`m hoping for a shot or two.
I also tried Rem 185`s at three. Both bullets print same POI. I would love this combo for elk, but may have to wait a year or so.

Steelhead...any excessive fouling? or has that problem been lessened with the TSX`s? I think bullets in this weight range are perfect for the 8x57. Proved that to my satisfaction last wkend at the range with the 185 Rem`s. I`m going with 150`s because I`ve got a bunch already loaded.

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Nope, but of course I'm kinda biased on Barnes bullets. Use them in damn near everything I shoot.


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150 gr. Hornady interlocks (Hornady #3232)are another bullet that my barrel likes. I've had good results with it using various amounts of IMR-4064. Those and the previously mentioned 150 gr. Sierras are the only 150 grainers that I use now. Some of the heavier bullets are accurate but at longer range they don't shoot as flat as the 150's. For deer or antelope the 150's should be the ticket as a good 150 grain bullet in the right spot will work on critters like that. This year I put a Leupold scout scope in an S&K no gunsmithing mount on the old K98 so now I got an 8x57 "scout rifle". This fall I hope to whack a whitetail with one of those 150's. Now that more of the southern tier counties in western NY state are open for rifles maybe I'll get a chance.

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I`m going to try the TSX`s. I`ve shot Barnes befor, just never got attached..
The Hornady 150`s turn a gallon milk jug filled with water inside out at 300. Just a few more days!!
I`m taking my 250AI as a back-up.

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I recently scoped one of the Remington 700 8x57 that I bought a while back. The only load I've tried so far is 150gr Hornady SP/IMR4064/WLR/R-P cases, my standard load for my other (mil-surp) 8x57 rifles. I went up to the book max of 51.0gr. with out problems, all the groups under two inches. For the other rifles I load 49.5gr., which shot better than the other charge weights in this rifle. 0-5/8" three shot group from a bench @ 100yds. 0.5 gr. up and down shot 1-5/16" three shot group from bench @ 100 yds. I haven't wrung it out yet to see if it will keep that up, just good inital results. This load ran 2790fps in the Remington, 2720fps in a Turkish with a 28" barrel, and 2660fps in a Yugoslavian with a 24" barrel. The best(not average)groups with this load were 1-1/8" @ 200yds from the Turk. I count on 1-1/2" @ 100yds for three shots with this load from the Turk with a Williams receiver sight and 1/16" brass flat face bead front sight.


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Youper...your only bout 90 miles away.
Any reason for the velocity range in the three rifles? Maybe cause the military guns have been shot a bit?
I pulled the pressure point out of my Rem stock..and glass bedded..helped with accuracy.
My load with 4064 is used with the 185 Rem bullet. I found TAC powder to give excellent results with 150`s both accurate and close to 3k MV. I went over published Max load with the TAC. No problems in the Remington rifle. No doubt these Max loadings are held in check because of the bore size difference in older military arms.

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I had the 8-57 ZB Brno over the chrono again last week with an increased load of 4064. I am not posting the grains as this rifle seems to take lots of powder yet still gives low velocities barely breaking 2600 fps with 180 Ballistic Tips. The barrel is 20.5".

I tried RL-15 with less accuracy and similar velocities.

Now its loaded up with RL-10 which is a little faster than IMR's 3031. Accuracy is still good and now the primers are no longer round. The chrono was not along for this last test.

When I tried 150's early on in this particular rifle the accuracy was only fair. Thus the 180's.


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CGPAUL: You are almost certainly in the UP then, because it is difficult to be 90 miles from me and not be there. As far as the velocity goes, the mauser bores are a bit worn but also the lands on the mauser barrels are wider than the remington. Maybe that has something to do with it.

Today I went to the range for a more rigorus test of the load and the two rifles. The weather was overcast with temperatures in the mid 50s and twenty to thirty mile per hour winds straight from the target. I shot five groups of five shots each from the bench at 100yds. I would shoot one group with each rifle waiting to a count of 60 between shots then check the targets while the barrels cooled. The remington has a weaver k4 scope on it, and the mauser sights were described in my previous post. For targets I used lavender colored 3" sqaure postit notes on white paper. They contrast pretty well against the white paper, and against the black reticle. With the remington I aimed at the bottom left corner of a postit. With the mauser I put the top of the bead in the center bottom edge of the postit. The target was too small to see well with the metalic sights, and was much better suited to the scope. The groups from the remington averaged 1.9", and those from the Turkish mauser 2.4".

I found the variation of the point of impact of the groups shot from the mauser intersting. The remington ranged from 2-1/4" high to 3" high, and from 0-1/2" right to 0-1/2" left. The mauser ranged from 0-3/4" left to 0" left/right, and the elevation from 2" high to 5" high. Clearly the target provided better aiming regarding the windage than the elevation, because the metalic sights had a little less windage variation. A bigger target might have tightened up the variation in the elevation, but also this may show an elevation problem using a bead type front sight. I say may because I recently completed some tests with a Lee-Enfield with a blade front sight. The point of impact of these groups also showed more variation in elevation than windage, so there is likely a shooting technique problem.


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