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Hi: Does anyone know if the named rifles can be converted to a removable magazine rifle and if so where can it be done in Canada? Thank You.

If anybody can do it it would be Epps shop. While I still lived in Canada I had this shop do work on a P-17. Good Luck NC

What�s a �P-17�...eh?

I think the name used in inventory was:rifle, 30 cal.However the Chief of Defence,Defence Minister and the training manual all called it P-17.You Yanks call Sargent Yorks rifle Model of 1917.

Excuse me, but �American� Military rifles are given their names by �Americans�...not by Brits, and you will NOT find an American Military manual that refers to that rifle as a P17. �P� was the Brit designation for Pattern...as in the rifle (P17) that American companies had to build for them so they would have enough rifles to arm their soldiers.

Oh...and by the way, Sgt. York�s rifle was a 1903 Springfield not a Model of 1917...eh?

Wrong,You watched the movie didn't you?chuckle. Almost all AEF were equiped with the Model of 1917.We did not call it Pattern,We called it simply P-17.100,000 were bought for home defense,I have one of them sporterized.It even had the rare Canadian Army cartouche,the C-broad arrow. More common Americian name is "Enfield".Hatcher considered it the best battle rifle of WWI.

Wrong!

Not only have I watched the film I know people who worked on it. I worked in the film business as a stuntman/stunt coordinator for 35 years and had the occasion to work with the prop man on that film...and also knew both of the stunt men: Ted Mapes (Gary Cooper�s stunt double) and Roger Creed.

Alvin York was one of the technical advisors on the film. According to York himself, his son Andrew, and the letters he wrote home to his wife, he disliked the 1917�s because of the peep sight...said he couldn�t lead his targets like he could with the open sighted 1903�s. As soon as he was issued one overseas he immediately swapped it for a 1903.

You can read all about it in the March 2005 issue of the �American� Rifleman.

Never said the Brits and you �little-brits� called your rifles �Pattern�...just that P stood for Pattern in British rifle designations at the time...just as M stood for Model in the American designations.

Canadians also call LZ�s LZED�s so what does that tell you?

Rick, on those Enfield sites you would be flamed good

But what you say makes sense.

I heard my Yanky,can I call him that if's he is from Ca.,cousin say 240Zee,I wondered what car he was talking about.It was the Datsun's 240Zed.

I didn�t say that about the M1917 sights...York did.

Hey, when you call your dollars Looney�s I guess it�s okay to screw up the alphabet too.

Don't ask what we call the $2 coin!

A Tooney..eh?

Canucks do have a strong sense of humour.There isn't anything we won't make fun of.

The magazines are different. The Pattern 14 is for rimmed, and the Model 1917 is for non-rimmed. That's why they convert a lot of No 4s and some SMLE to 45-70s. The lips are different.

I have heard the Model 1917 will hold six rounds, but I've never owned one. Did have a P 14, though.

yeah an unaltered 1917 will hold 6 rounds of 30-06.......i had one that did....its got a much sleeker stock with a blind mag now and holds 4 of 338-06