Home Forums Reloading Varmint Rifles 220 swift vs. 223 wssm

An excellent discussion Stick and Mark! A wise man once said that sometimes there is more than one right answer.

Does the premier dot system cover small targets like a crow for instance.

Having to select one load with the Premier system does not interest me. But if I had it I would think one could use it with any load and hold off a small amount?

Yeah, I have always thought that when two people always agree one is not needed anymore.....Tons to be learned if one keeps an open mind.

The dots for each range get smaller and smaller-I have zero doubt you could use em, to 700 at least. I do not have a scope set for farther-a friend of mine does but I have not used so I will not comment on farther.

Using one bullet does not bother me one bit-each one is set up with Noz Bt's. And if you need for big game you can chose a stouter bullet with a similar BC and it'll do just fine. So you are not really hamstrung to just one. For real fine long range work you really are, but this does not bother me.

In my 6/06 I have it set it with the 95 Noz Bt at 3500-I've found that bullet to work just fine be it at chucks/pd's/yotes or deer and elk and bruins and of course we beat up on a few speed goats with it each year. So.. for me one bullet is of no big deal-it is very easy and as Stick would say anything to make things more simplistic I am all over.

Yeah you work up the load first-find what you want and then you give them the data to work with. And you tell them how you want it set.

I just use a 1" high sighting at 100 then a dot at 3/4/5/6/7.

It works for me--may not for others-but each and every person I have shown the system to in the last few years is very quickly smacking whatever they want at fairly long distances.

Once they learn true trigger countrol they are well on there way. Then they JUST need to learn about wind/angles/and of course mirage....

Never enough time or enough bullets is there.

Oh well have an awesome day and get to the hill--whatever your choice may be to carry.

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dog

Thanks Mark! That sounds like a sweet set up and does make sense. I would think that the system could work in reverse also, one would have to just note where the bullet hits with each dot, however it would take more work. Beings that the 6-06 is not exactly easy on barrels, have you had to replace one once the scope was set up? Any problems with getting the same load to work in the new barrel? Again thanks for the info.

That is a good question-the first tube I got 1700 round out of. That was 99% done on the hill and not at the range--soo that is a lot of shooting og game predators and varmints.

To me I am fairly happy to get the degree of accruacy I want for that amount of rounds with that type of a round.

The 3500 is something I've been able to do with each tube I've worked with
(I think about 6 of them), so I am quite comfy with that. I can go to 3600 if I want but see no need.

If one was worried about that I'd just drop off a bit more with the velocity when I set the scope up and call her good.

This is the info you would need to give Premier to put dots into it.

velocity
bullet weight
bullet BC
ave temp
ave elevation

It will cost you about $15 per dot if I remember right-about 3 weeks turnaround or you can purchase a scope from them and get it a bit quicker.

It works for me and my Amigos--it is easy and simple

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dog

hey mark, it does sound like you and bigstick know your share regarding optics and reloading. i have not reloaded any yet, but will be once i get my 220. i have been shooting a 25-06 with winchester silvertips and remarkable groups in my opinion. went out monday afternoon and did some targets. 800 yards with a perfect bullseye-dead center. 2nd shot about 1.5 inches above it. for me, thats about as good as i can get, and with a factory load. but, sounds like all of you guys get to do some real shooting.

also, i have got a few toys, and know what you mean in regards to taking to long to get a shot off. i have taken friends with me on hunts and they will take all they can for a set-up. not me. its the gun/caller/decoy, thats it. it would be fun to get some side by side action as you guys say, yet we are all in it for the enjoyment which is therapeutic and will take our mind off what we do to make a living. every one has thier hobby and shooting is ours. can i get an AMEN on that.

hey mark, i played football in school with a guy with same name as yours. not a name you see everyday, nor is my own.

bigstick, thats still tearing me up regarding that picture. THATS A BIG STICK. i showed my wife and she just rolled, as did i, and still do.

do any of you guys have any "formulas" for reloading a 220 swift. hoping to get all of my stuff in around the end of the week. also, i'm wanting to get my aftermarket stock glass bedded. any suggestions regarding this. i have never asked for this option and would like a little info to know what to ask for/look for.

mark, where do you guide, and for what type of hunt? i do a little bit of out of state hunting---------when i can get a "KITCHEN PASS". we all know how that is. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />