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I haven't heard much about this cartridge being used anymore. I know at one time it was very popular and prolific amongst PH's and animal control individuals alike. Has this cartridge recently lost the faith of the masses, or is Jack Lott's "newcomer" taking all of the limelight as of late?
I am selfishly asking this because I have had the opportunity to by a Browning Safari Grade (fabrique nationale) in said cartridge for some time, and I would hate to buy anything that is 'out of vogue'.;) The rifle itself is quite charming, though maybe a little light at 8lbs.
Let's hear it fellas.......


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It may not be getting much press lately, but IMHO there's nothing wrong with the .458 Win Mag. (Full disclosure: I have no experience hunting any kind of dangerous game.) I'm currently having a custom .458 Win Mag built. Nothing fancy, just a solid working rifle. I'll probably load it like a "super" .45-70 / .450 Marlin and use it on feral hogs here in Texas. A 350 gr Hornady at around 2200-2300 fps should work great on hogs.

Here's an article from African Hunter magazine that you may enjoy:

What is wrong with the .458?
by Charlie Haley
http://www.african-hunter.com/WhatsWrong.htm

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With Current powders and ammo the 458 is a far better rifle today then it was when released!

There is nolonger any dust settling on the 458win mag. The Lot is a more powerful round, however I loaded mine to 2250 with a 450 grain bullet. You should have no issue getting 2100 with the same bullet form the 458 mag.

The famous 470 nitro was a 2100 fps cartridge with an approx 500 grain bullet not much difference eh!


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At 8 lbs it might feel like you are shooting 3 inch magnums out of your 12 gauge. I had a Model 70 Super Grade that weighed 8.5 lbs and I thought that was a bit light during load development.
I'm curious what they are asking for the Browning Safari?
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Bob, thanks for posting the article by Charlie Haley, Good read.

http://www.african-hunter.com/WhatsWrong.htm


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I got hit in the head by one when I was a kid. The guy thought it was funny giving people scope cuts with his .458 Ruger. I shot a Krieghoff double .375 H & H that was ten grand back 20 years ago that was a lot more pleasant. It reminded me of a double shotgun. The Win mag just killed me. I would consider a stack of recoil reducers in the stock and a nice pad. I'm such a wuss.


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The 458 win is a poor choice and not a good dangerious game round. I collect browning safari grade rifles. Since you have no need to purchase it please PM me and I will buy it.
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A couple of more articles that may be of interest:

Beauty and the Beast
A serious look at a serious rifle!
Model 98 Mauser .458 Winchester Magnum
from Rifle Magazine, July-August 2003
by Phil Shoemaker
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=1043&magid=75

The .458 Winchester Magnum
Designed for Africa but All-American in its impact, this safari stopper is still a big bore to reckon with.
from Guns & Ammo, January 2005
by Stan Skinner
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/reloads/458winmag_122804/

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Guess what is the next Rifle I'm buying a 458 win mag of course ?

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Well, the person I know is dear, and I think I will give him the $1100 CDN he has mentioned before. The wood is fantastic, and the blueing is as deep as I have ever seen. Here is the other funny thing about this rifle: it has never been tapped for a scope, and has dual folding island sights with an ivory front bead. He said he bought it that way from Eatons many years ago.
Any ideas on real worth?


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With modern powders it is no trick to get 2250 fps with 450 grain bullets or 2100 with 500 grain bullets without excessive pressures or excessive powder compression. Personally, I think there is no need for the Lott.


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With 450gr TSX @ 2200fps the .458WM is more than adaquate for buffalo. Last season in the Selous L1 my partner and I both carried .458WM, mine a Mauser his a CZ. and while his CZ was less than reliable mechanically both rifles loaded with identical loads @2200fps laid low our bulls.

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what function problems with the CZ I was thinking seriously about it


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luv2safari,

Looks like a good working piece how many rounds can the mag hold ? And taking the scope off how is the open sights ? Maybe you could break it up in small pieces and send it to me to be reasembled over here if only ??? smile

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Originally Posted by medicman
what function problems with the CZ I was thinking seriously about it



Were you asking that of me? If so my partner's CZ Safari was prone to not ejecting a spent shell case. He had bought it as a used rifle and though I may be incorrect I doubt he put more than 5 boxes of ammo thru it prior to the trip.
As we faced his wounded buff he shot it a second time, and the rifle did not eject as he worked the bolt. I was able to free the spent shell case with my Leatherman and give him back the rifle so he could finish what he started.

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REM338WIN:
If you are a hand-loader, 2150fps with a 500gr bullet is not a big deal with todays powders. Or, purchase Hornady factory loads listed at 2260fps.

The loads in my M-70 are running 2185fps (across the screens) I have loaded them to 2280fps. The lower velocity is more accurate in my rifle. Plus the fact I have hunted in temps as high as 102F in Zimbabwe, and the 2185fps velocity has not given any pressure problems. Viz; extraction, flatened primers, etc.

My rifle weighs (loaded) just a smidge over 10#, and the recoil is managable. Obviously, an eight pound Browning .458WM is more comfortable to haul around; shooting it, however, might be a memorable experience. Just a thought, since I have not attempted same.

Don't sell the Win Mag short...it still gets the job done.

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Originally Posted by MoccasinJoe1
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what function problems with the CZ I was thinking seriously about it



Were you asking that of me? If so my partner's CZ Safari was prone to not ejecting a spent shell case. He had bought it as a used rifle and though I may be incorrect I doubt he put more than 5 boxes of ammo thru it prior to the trip.
As we faced his wounded buff he shot it a second time, and the rifle did not eject as he worked the bolt. I was able to free the spent shell case with my Leatherman and give him back the rifle so he could finish what he started.


I wouldn't be scared off the CZ's because of this report; any rifle that hasn't been thoroughly checked can fail when being operated under stress. If you buy a CZ, I would highly recommend sending it to American Hunting Rifles (www.hunting-rifles.com) for their package which includes a new trigger, three position safety and straightening the bolt handle. AHR will slick up the feeding and perform function checks as part of that package and for 500 bucks it's a heck of a deal. With that package, assuming you're buying new, a CZ 458 will run you about 1350 bucks, which is just below the Ruger RSM.

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Originally Posted by Oregon45
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Originally Posted by medicman
what function problems with the CZ I was thinking seriously about it



Were you asking that of me? If so my partner's CZ Safari was prone to not ejecting a spent shell case. He had bought it as a used rifle and though I may be incorrect I doubt he put more than 5 boxes of ammo thru it prior to the trip.
As we faced his wounded buff he shot it a second time, and the rifle did not eject as he worked the bolt. I was able to free the spent shell case with my Leatherman and give him back the rifle so he could finish what he started.


I wouldn't be scared off the CZ's because of this report; any rifle that hasn't been thoroughly checked can fail when being operated under stress. If you buy a CZ, I would highly recommend sending it to American Hunting Rifles (www.hunting-rifles.com) for their package which includes a new trigger, three position safety and straightening the bolt handle. AHR will slick up the feeding and perform function checks as part of that package and for 500 bucks it's a heck of a deal. With that package, assuming you're buying new, a CZ 458 will run you about 1350 bucks, which is just below the Ruger RSM.


Thanks. I had a friend whohad both a 602 in 458 and a 550 in 375 and they were fine rifles after he had the stocks changed.
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I have seen this rifle shot with 600gr Barnes Originals, and that was memorable. crazy.
I would likely have a 1lb Merc-Decelerator installed. I also believe that a 500gr at 2100 would work as desired. I would probaly try to get my hands on some Rhino's if possible also.


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