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Originally Posted by Jeff_Olsen
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If all else is the same, IMO you have to go to a .25-06 / .257 Bob for a meaningful step down in recoil. I just don't see that much of a difference from a .30-06 to a .308 or even a 7mm-08.
Now, you can always add rifle weight, a better pad, and maybe a better stock fit / design.


Respectfully disagree...

For a while I had two identical-pattern rifles, Remington LSS Mountain Rifles, one in 30-06 and one in 7mm-08. Still have both but the '06 is now a sporter-weight barrel.

Anyway, the 7-08 was most assuredly a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06. Rifles were identical except the 30-06 was a little heavier due to the longer action.

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That's cool. It just goes to show you people have different ideas of what "meaningful" means.

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Added the .25/06 for comparism.
25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5
Fast and flat. My wife's new gun will be a .25-06.

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Even though the OP didn't mention this, implied in my choice of 7mm-08 was that if I want to step down in recoil from say a 30-06, I personally figure the rifle itself might as well step down too- to a short action.

I know some folks don't like short actions or don't care either way, but I do... so stepping down in recoil might was well give me a lighter, handier rifle as an added bonus.

My 12-year-old daughter was shooting my 7-08 Mountain Rifle the other day with no problems BTW... hard rubber pad and all... it really is a moderate-recoiling round, even in a light rifle.

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For deer & smaller: 6mm Rem, 243 Win, 223 Rem With the right bullets

For deer & larger: 25-o6, 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem; 270 & 280 are getting back too close to 'o6 recoil, but with light bullets are still noticeably less

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...Add the 7.62X39 as a limited range caliber for whitetails of any size, and the 7X57 Mauser or 6.5X55 Swedish for most any medium game up to 400-600 lbs. These produce noticeably reduced recoil when compared to the 30/06 Springfield. Another option that's easy as pie is to purchase Remington's "reduced Recoil" ammo in 30/06. With a 125 grain bullet at less than a 'full house' push this load is still plenty lethal on deer and without the recoil associated with standard 30/06 loadings, more akin to a mild 30/30 load's recoil!

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I don't see 250 Savage (.250/3000) or 7/30 Waters listed.

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I went .308 and plan to load 130gr TTSXs. That should be nice and mild and do just what I need it to do on deer. I can load other bullets to handle most anything else. Reloading components and ammo are as plentiful as the 30'06.


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.25-06, 6.5X55, or 7mm-08.


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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


For me, a .270 WCF. After I got it my two .30/06's stayed in the safe, especially for volume shooting at ground squirrels.

I also think that my .25/06 would fill the role that you describe.

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Steelhead suggested smaller bullets, and I'll just echo that thought. Whatever cartridge you choose, you will save even more recoil if you load lighter bullets. If you get a 25-06, don't shoot 120gr bullets, use 100gr. Go against the heavy-for-caliber school of thought.


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POWDER CHARGE HAS THE GREATEST INFLUENCE ON RECOIL ACCORDING TO THE FORMULA, BULLET WEIGHT SECOND.

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My vote would be for a 6.5X55 in a CZ, Sako, or Ruger. It doesn't recoil any more than a 30/30 and is very "flat shooting" caliber with a tremendous array of bullets available from 85 to 160gr.

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Some have suggested 308 and 270. Not mine! My 270 Savage 110 and 308 Savage 99 both hurt me more than my 1903 Springfield with steel butt plate. Yes, weight and shape are why they hurt. I don't like to shoot either.

I suggest 30-30, you need a lever gun anyway. In bolt actions, I have 25-06, 6.5x55, and 243 that fit the OP's parameters.


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I would recommend the 260 Remington without hesitation.

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Originally Posted by prostrate8
I don't see 250 Savage (.250/3000) or 7/30 Waters listed.


Good point, Prostrate8... !

I, too, thought of the .250 Savage... an excellent deer cartridge with VERY LITTLE recoil in a rifle of "average" weight which literally duplicates any load one can get with the .257 Roberts... but finally decided it was more of a handloader's cartridge since it would be very difficult to find on many store's ammo shelves which is why I eventually decided NOT to mention the great little .250 Savage (aka ".250-3000") cartridge.

The .250-3000 has been taking deer and similar-sized big game since 1914 when it was introduced in the Savage Model 99. This cartridge was developed by the ballistician Charles Newton for Savage Model 99 lever-action rifle and was the first commercial, factory-standard cartridge to exceed 3,000 fps. It is noted for its light recoil, but is a very effective cartridge on deer-sized game. smile


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The 257 Roberts and the 260 Remington, both with good 120 grain bullets, work well on deer-size game and smaller with noticeably less recoil than the 30-06 in rifles of similar weight. But there is no free lunch. Smaller cartridges do less damage to game animals. I am fond of the addage that larger cartridges make them "sicker quicker." However, with specific bullet placement, even small cartridges can plant them DRT as long as there is sufficient penetration. Almost invariably the animal will run a ways after the "classic" behind-the-shoulder shot, regardless of caliber used.

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My first experience with a high powered rifle was a .30-06. At that time, early '60's it was by far the most common, non-.30-30 around. I owned and used various .30-06's for years to shoot deer/bear/antelope sized game.

When the Remington M7 was introduced, I ran out and bought one in 7-08. In the M7, recoil was less than a full size '06, but by much. Effectiveness on deer/antelope size game is about zero difference as near as I can tell, to the point where I no longer have a .30-06 at all. I have a 7RM for longer shots, and .35 Whelen's for larger game.

My new Mtn Rifle in 7-08 is a bit less than 8lbs loaded with sling and scope, and it kicks less than the M7. Having shot a pretty fair pile of deer and antelope with a .243, I feel that the 7-08 is far more effective than the smaller hole, and weighs less in a given rifle design.


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Several years ago I had a custom built in 7x57 and it has for all practical purposes replaced my 06 as my all purpose gun.

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