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I have pictures of him and Generalisimo Franco in my office...jorge they are most likely sharing a common area currently...... I tend to forgive Franco. Most of his "victims" were communist mass murderers anyway. the old 'Hawkeye waffle' again, eh? Killing is ok with you as long as those being killed are folks you don't like?
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I have pictures of him and Generalisimo Franco in my office...jorge they are most likely sharing a common area currently...... I tend to forgive Franco. Most of his "victims" were communist mass murderers anyway. Si. Or sanctimonious, romantic American and English lefties, dying for the Comintern. While Stalin chuckled. Both personal heroes of mine for the reasons stated above. If anything, they should be reserved a nice cloud up in heaven as they both sent plenty of commies to their fiery hell. jorge
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I talked to my Brother about this today. He spent 30 years in the Navy JAG, and was highly placed.
He says he was not surprised by the ruling, and that he expected it to come down just about the way it was worded.
He knew well, the lawyers that first drew up the Gitmo rules, and I believe he had some input himself, based on his knowledge base and his experience.
He says that the lawyers that advised Bush, and drew up the ground rules, were sailing in uncharted waters, from a Constitutional standpoint, and wanted to do things that had really never been done before, or certainly were not vetted by previous court decisions. Your brother is a man who has his head on right, my friend.
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I talked to my Brother about this today. He spent 30 years in the Navy JAG, and was highly placed.
He says he was not surprised by the ruling, and that he expected it to come down just about the way it was worded.
He knew well, the lawyers that first drew up the Gitmo rules, and I believe he had some input himself, based on his knowledge base and his experience.
He says that the lawyers that advised Bush, and drew up the ground rules, were sailing in uncharted waters, from a Constitutional standpoint, and wanted to do things that had really never been done before, or certainly were not vetted by previous court decisions. Sam, Steve provided the link to Scalia'a dissent. When you get a chance read it......it pretty much blisters the decision today.
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I have pictures of him and Generalisimo Franco in my office...jorge they are most likely sharing a common area currently...... I tend to forgive Franco. Most of his "victims" were communist mass murderers anyway. the old 'Hawkeye waffle' again, eh? Killing is ok with you as long as those being killed are folks you don't like? I would cheer on a grizzly bear if it were tearing limb from limb someone I was sure was either a communist mass murderer or an Islamic terrorist, but I will not cheer on the United States government if it does the very same thing, and this (since I am an American) for my own safety's sake.
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I talked to my Brother about this today. He spent 30 years in the Navy JAG, and was highly placed.
He says he was not surprised by the ruling, and that he expected it to come down just about the way it was worded.
He knew well, the lawyers that first drew up the Gitmo rules, and I believe he had some input himself, based on his knowledge base and his experience.
He says that the lawyers that advised Bush, and drew up the ground rules, were sailing in uncharted waters, from a Constitutional standpoint, and wanted to do things that had really never been done before, or certainly were not vetted by previous court decisions. Your brother is a man who has his head on right, my friend. Wrong. The Eisenberger case set the precedent. Not sure about the spelling, but I heaerd it mentioned on the radio today. Maybe one of our attorneys can weigh in on it. jorge
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I talked to my Brother about this today. He spent 30 years in the Navy JAG, and was highly placed.
He says he was not surprised by the ruling, and that he expected it to come down just about the way it was worded.
He knew well, the lawyers that first drew up the Gitmo rules, and I believe he had some input himself, based on his knowledge base and his experience.
He says that the lawyers that advised Bush, and drew up the ground rules, were sailing in uncharted waters, from a Constitutional standpoint, and wanted to do things that had really never been done before, or certainly were not vetted by previous court decisions. Your brother is a man who has his head on right, my friend. A 5-4 decision that is split between liberal/conservative judges and finding myself agreeing with the liberal side of that decision would cause me concern......I wouldn't be happy about being correct, temporary as it may be.
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A 5-4 decision that is split between liberal/conservative judges and finding myself agreeing with the liberal side of that decision would cause me concern......I wouldn't be happy about being correct, temporary as it may be. In this I am in the company of Judge Andrew Napolitano. Is he a liberal too?
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The case decided today dealt with Congress's second attempt to draw up due process rules for the detainees. It is uncharted territory, because nobody has ever given such people ANY due process rights before. Congress, and the Supremes, are making it up as they go.
No nation in a war against irregular forces has ever done anything like this.
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Is he a supreme?
IOW...who cares?
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A 5-4 decision that is split between liberal/conservative judges and finding myself agreeing with the liberal side of that decision would cause me concern......I wouldn't be happy about being correct, temporary as it may be. In this I am in the company of Judge Andrew Napolitano. Is he a liberal too? No, but he's kind of a quack on this issue. I argued it with him for about an hour and it was like talking to Bristoe. 
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The case decided today dealt with Congress's second attempt to draw up due process rules for the detainees. It is uncharted territory, because nobody has ever given such people ANY due process rights before. Congress, and the Supremes, are making it up as they go.
No nation in a war against irregular forces has ever done anything like this. You have that exactly backwards, Steve. Congress essentially rubber stamped the president's actions, which were themselves lawless and unprecedented. The Supreme Court just said no deal to both the President and his rubber stamp Congress.
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A 5-4 decision that is split between liberal/conservative judges and finding myself agreeing with the liberal side of that decision would cause me concern......I wouldn't be happy about being correct, temporary as it may be. In this I am in the company of Judge Andrew Napolitano. Is he a liberal too? No, but he's kind of a quack on this issue. I argued it with him for about an hour and it was like talking to Bristoe. Naturally you ID him as a quack, because he's an old-style conservative, and not a neocon like you.
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Buehler?, Buehler?, I mean Eisenberger?, Eisenberger? jorge
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So, the vote wound up 6-4?
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yes, Hawkeye, the TV judge is a liberal. He is certainly not an old style conservative.
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The case decided today dealt with Congress's second attempt to draw up due process rules for the detainees. It is uncharted territory, because nobody has ever given such people ANY due process rights before. Congress, and the Supremes, are making it up as they go.
No nation in a war against irregular forces has ever done anything like this. You have that exactly backwards, Steve. Congress essentially rubber stamped the president's actions, which were themselves lawless and unprecedented. The Supreme Court just said no deal to both the President and his rubber stamp Congress. Well, no, both the AG and congressional staff lawyers helped draft this version, in response to the Supreme Court's last ruling. And it is completely "res nova"....unless you think...and maybe you do.....that these guys have the full set of rights of criminal suspects. In which case, bring on the CSI, Miranda cards, free lawyers, exclusionary rule, etc etc. BTW, since nobody had any US search warrants over there, I guess none of the physical evidence is admissible either, huh?
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He would be if I were president.
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I'd let him pick an Italian restaurant for me in NYC or Jersey. But not the Supremes.
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yes, Hawkeye, the TV judge is a liberal. He is certainly not an old style conservative. Just because the neocons are "agin ya," don't make ya a liberal, my friend. Not by a long shot. In fact, most people the neocons are against nowadays are old school conservatives like the good judge.
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