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#2283638 - 06/30/08 fitting an unfinished boyds stock?
Colorado1135 Offline
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I'm looking at getting a boyds thumbhols stock for my wife's savage rifle. the finished ones are 100 bucks more than the unfinished. how hard is it to fit one of these stocks to an action and finish it nicely?
what products will I need to accomplish this.
is it worth it? I have the time, how difficult is it to do?
thanks
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#2283745 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
Colorado1135 Offline
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is there another company that would provide a good unfinished stock for less?
I found Richard's microfit. they seem decent but heard its hard to get one due to delays and lack of communication


Edited by Colorado1135 (06/30/08)
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#2283899 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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I bought one unfinished Boyd's and will not buy another. It was no way near close to fitting and took a lot of work and never was just right.

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#2283941 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: slammer]
Colorado1135 Offline
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wow, thats the answer I was looking for, although not what I wanted to hear!
I'll keep looking thanks

anyone else have any luck? good or bad?
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#2284015 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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I have fitted several Boyds stock. Mayb eit's me and I hve some experience,but they did not seem to be very bad. Most have extra wood that you have to cut/file away, Laminates are hell on stock tools and you have to be very careful of the direction of wood grain in each layer.Patience is require , some rudimenatry knowledge about wood working and stock fitting helps
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#2284057 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: saddlesore]
Colorado1135 Offline
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well if I try it, at least you're close enough to give me a hand if I run into trouble ;\) just kidding \:\)
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#2284362 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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In my opinion, it is a waste of time trying to inlet a stock for a perfect fit. For one thing, no matter how skilled you are, you won't be able to do it. Plus, the wood is succeptable to warping and ruining your 'perfect' fit, even if you get one.

My recommendation is scrapers, inletting black, a Dremel tool with course cutters made for wood. A few files and rasps, and then, Bedding Compound. There has been a lot of good things said about Devon Steel bedding.

A set of alignment guard screws is a necessity. You don't need to hog is out with a chainsaw, but by using bedding compound, you don't have to be all that precise, either.

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#2284448 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: 1234567]
Colorado1135 Offline
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thanks for the input ya'll
I think I might just change gears and spring for one of the coyote stalkers from brownells, anyone had any experience with them?

I can always put it on my 300 and pass my choate to the wife ;\)
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#2284851 - 06/30/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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Registered: 01/28/01
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One needs some good chisels, gouges, barrel channel scrapers, rasps, maybe a chain saw file, a level or two, some straight edges, a vice, a plane or two, some inletting black and a brush, some oil stones for sharpening tools, and sandpaper and finish of choice. With patience, one can indeed do a fine job of fitting and finishing. My last was a Richards 90% and I put in about 50 hours to final finish. It's truly an OH WOW! stock. It's glass bedded bottom and top, but not floated. With a bore sighter installed, I can attach the stock and torque down the screws, and there is no apparent change in the scope/bore sighter alignment. Fit is indeed very tight, but no stresses are induced.

Given the machining variation among units, a true drop in stock will have lots of spaces where there should be none. They will likely need some glass work if one is finicky about bedding. I have two units that need stocks and they will begin as blanks.

If you do not enjoy wood work, then one should likely find a drop in. Fitting and finishing one your self will foster an appreciation for why good stockmakers demand and get big bucks. Now that I've tackled that job though, I am not happy with the out of the box fit for most of my commercial units. The only one that has really fine fit and finish is a Shiloh Sharps, and I did pay big bucks for that one.

Again, if you have an interest, I'd encourage taking it on. If one is in a hurry though to have a usable unit, then look for a drop in plastic. Take care, 1Minute
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#2286287 - 07/01/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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Don't be afraid to try inletting one out, my first 90% inlet was on a 03A3 and it turned out alright (Richards Microfit) just remember take your time and don't try and hog it out all at once. The Savage is one of the easier actions to inlet for (it could be a M77 :)). Do you ever go out to Royal Gorge gun club? It's a pretty decent place to shoot!

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#2286332 - 07/01/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: dodgefan]
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If the inlett is accurate you can bed one their finished stocks by roughing up the interior and bedding with your favorite bedding compound. I have done about a dozen of the boyds and had to send one back when the screw holes were off enough they could not be corrected without a bunch of work. The actual finish is very nice and I would gladly pay $100 extra to avoid all of the sanding and finish work.

On the other hand I find a bunch of the boyd stocks to be kind of "clubby", particularly the JRS. For my stocks I put them on a diet with a rasp and slim out the forend, wrist and buttstock quite a bit, this will cut the weight by about 6-8oz and might fit someone with smaller hands much better.
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#2286464 - 07/01/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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Believe me from many past experiences with several companies going back to the old Herter's company, after you are into this you will wonder how they can finish it for $100.00. It's a bargin if they don't screw it up. Thanks...Bill.
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#2288330 - 07/02/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: model70man]
leomort Offline
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I bought a Richardson Microfit laminate stock for my CZ. It about $120. I had my gunsmith do the woodwork/finish up etc, that was an additional $500. Could have gotta a McMillan stock and bedded it for that price. Don't get me wrong, it was a nice laminate stock, but unless you can do the woodwork yourself I feel that its not worht it.

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#2289135 - 07/03/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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I would strongly suggest spending the extra $100 for the finished stock, unless you already have the tools and some skill at woodworking. I would also strongly suggest that you avoid Richards Microfit unless you have all of the tools, some skill at woodworking, and lots of spare time that has no value.

What sort of Savage rifle are you looking to restock?

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#2289505 - 07/03/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: 260Remguy]
Colorado1135 Offline
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its a accutrigger 110 in a 25-06.
Ideally I would like to put a heavy barrel on it and a choate ultimate varmint stock, she likes those


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#2289531 - 07/03/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Colorado1135]
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Right now, I am carving a stock for a CZ 20 gauge Over/Under. Finishing out an already cut stock would be very simple compared to this.
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#2289852 - 07/03/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: saddlesore]
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I recently finished a Boyds unfinished laminate stock for a Mauser. Inletting was not at all difficult. It did not take a workbench full of tools. It took a few chisels and scrapers, some inletting black, and about 2 hours time. That is the good news. The bad news is that there were gaps that had to be filled with Acraglas gel. They don't look at all bad now that the stock is bedded and finished, but the inletting in the "VIP" stock is generous.

The problem with using a Boyd's finished stock, and I am fitting one to a customer's gun today, is that the finished stock is somewhat clunky in some dimensions -- particularly in the forend shape and around that oversized pistol grip. I would rather have the unfinished stock so that I can reshape it to tailor it to my liking.

The Boyd's unfinished stock is quite well sanded, requiring only some finish sanding and resanding where extensive wood removal is done in the reshaping phase. It is easy to finish -- I used Minwax Wiping Poly on the last one.

Bottom line: If the stock fits your dimensions and you are not opposed to putting some bedding compound in the worst of the gaps, it makes up into a very usable hunting stock. I use them, and I will use more.

Here is the finished rifle:


And here is the area where I probably did the most shaping. I actually cut the grip down to install a steel (Fisher) grip cap:


Clemson
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#2296747 - 07/07/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: Clemson]
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Not sure of boyds pricing but typical labor for machining a pattern is 85-125.00, add wood to that.
An excellent pattern machined by a person who knows their machine is light years different than what I've seen. A real good semi-inlet should only take less than an hour to drop the metal in. Typically, the bottom metal requires the least amount of work.If the pattern was glass or bondo bedded, trigger guards almost drop in.
I've seen some that you could not tell what action was supposed to fit in- way too much work.
Large companies can certainly sell them cheaper than a single man in some shop, but the quality is better- usually!
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#2307561 - 07/13/08 Re: fitting an unfinished boyds stock? [Re: CWG]
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I agree, Claude!

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