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Originally Posted by Stan V
Let's hope McCain survives the election, if he doesn't, how does she look to y'all then?

Don't read anything into that, just saying....wouldn't she change your 'feelings' at the top of the ticket? Cause, that's all I'm reading, feelings.


It wouldn't change anything with me, considering the option is Obama/Biden.

Are you kidding? This lady is gold. What more could we ask for from a values or lifestyle point of view? We might say that it would be nice (if she was suddenly on the top of the ticket) for her to have more experience, but let's face it, she has more than Obama, and (as Rush stated yesterday) Biden may have experience, but what good is experience when you're wrong about everything?

If she were suddenly in the number one job, she could pick someone like Gendrich or a Governor for her vice who had the experience, and she would not only be right, she would still have more experience than Obama, and have plenty in the VP.

I like her as the pick. It is just a pleasure to see something done right for a change.


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Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
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I'm not befuddled. Since time immortal, it was the man's job to bring home the bacon and the woman's job to be the care giver and nurturer. That's why women get pregnant and not men. The traditional family is still the best way to raise kids after everything else has been tried. On this I'm an ultra ultra ultra conservative. I've seen the results with other methods and it ain't pretty. Why do you think our prisons are over flowing.

Those who choose to have children have to make the children priority #1 and everything else second. In this day and age, with most of us reaching longer longevity, there is plenty of time to pursue other careers after the kids have grown up. And yes this applies to men too.

And one more thing while I'm at it seeing as how I'm going out on a long limb and sticking my foot in my mouth, I'm sick and tired of Right-Wing Christians who preach family values and the first thing the jettison is the kids to pursue secular careers.

There now that I've pi$$ed everyone off, I'm outta here!!

OK. One paragraph at a time (even though you won't read this 'cause you're outta here):

You make a good point, and one many conservative Christians will agree with. I find it a little odd, however, that people will use the Bible to affirm their political & social worldview, but somehow overlook or even reject the fundamental message of the Bible, that all humanity is broken (that puts you and me into the same category) and we need a redeemer.

All of us have differing capabilities in what we are able to pursue, while keeping our families as first priority. I cannot judge for you, or Palin, or O'bama, or anyone else. I can judge it only for me. Sometimes I don't measure up. By the grace of God, sometimes I do.

Let's let Sarah Palin and her husband decide whether they're jettisoning their kids. As for me, I think her kids will measure up just fine against most of the kids I see raised by permissive, left-wing parents, as well as most kids raised by country-club conservatives with a self-absorbed stay-at-home wife.

So that I don't miss your last paragraph, let it be known that you haven't pi$$ed me off. And bye-bye.

Steve


Yep. I'd "Yes, Amen" that.


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Originally Posted by Sanlen
Originally Posted by Stan V
Let's hope McCain survives the election, if he doesn't, how does she look to y'all then?

Don't read anything into that, just saying....wouldn't she change your 'feelings' at the top of the ticket? Cause, that's all I'm reading, feelings.


It wouldn't change anything with me, considering the option is Obama/Biden.

Are you kidding? This lady is gold. What more could we ask for from a values or lifestyle point of view? We might say that it would be nice (if she was suddenly on the top of the ticket) for her to have more experience, but let's face it, she has more than Obama, and (as Rush stated yesterday) Biden may have experience, but what good is experience when you're wrong about everything?

If she were suddenly in the number one job, she could pick someone like Gendrich or a Governor for her vice who had the experience, and she would not only be right, she would still have more experience than Obama, and have plenty in the VP.

I like her as the pick. It is just a pleasure to see something done right for a change.



I guess most our thinking our Messiah trumps their Messiah? O has nothing to do with what I think of Palin's experience for OUR side.....believing in conservative ideas is what I look for in a candidate but I prefer more testing....that's when character is found.


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Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm not befuddled. Since time immortal, it was the man's job to bring home the bacon and the woman's job to be the care giver and nurturer. That's why women get pregnant and not men. The traditional family is still the best way to raise kids after everything else has been tried. On this I'm an ultra ultra ultra conservative. I've seen the results with other methods and it ain't pretty. Why do you think our prisons are over flowing.

Those who choose to have children have to make the children priority #1 and everything else second. In this day and age, with most of us reaching longer longevity, there is plenty of time to pursue other careers after the kids have grown up. And yes this applies to men too.

And one more thing while I'm at it seeing as how I'm going out on a long limb and sticking my foot in my mouth, I'm sick and tired of Right-Wing Christians who preach family values and the first thing the jettison is the kids to pursue secular careers.

There now that I've pi$$ed everyone off, I'm outta here!!

OK. One paragraph at a time (even though you won't read this 'cause you're outta here):

You make a good point, and one many conservative Christians will agree with. I find it a little odd, however, that people will use the Bible to affirm their political & social worldview, but somehow overlook or even reject the fundamental message of the Bible, that all humanity is broken (that puts you and me into the same category) and we need a redeemer.

All of us have differing capabilities in what we are able to pursue, while keeping our families as first priority. I cannot judge for you, or Palin, or O'bama, or anyone else. I can judge it only for me. Sometimes I don't measure up. By the grace of God, sometimes I do.

Let's let Sarah Palin and her husband decide whether they're jettisoning their kids. As for me, I think her kids will measure up just fine against most of the kids I see raised by permissive, left-wing parents, as well as most kids raised by country-club conservatives with a self-absorbed stay-at-home wife.

So that I don't miss your last paragraph, let it be known that you haven't pi$$ed me off. And bye-bye.

Steve


Hi Steve, I'm Baaaaaack. I went to an open house for a new Mom and her almost new baby, 4 1/2 months old.

I think the Bible makes some good points, I just don't think it is the absolute word of God or that I need a redeemer. I don't want to hijack the thread but I did want to clear this up.

You are right that her private life is her and her husband's business except she has chosen to run for Vice-President. I'm nervous with a Mom who has four children left at home with one having special disabilities that requires a full time Mom.

I read Dan Quayle's book of his Vice-President experiences with small children. It wasn't pretty and he was a Father not a Mother.

Here's my questions:

1. Is Dad going to give up working so he becomes the house husband?
2. If Dad doesn't quit his job, are they going to hire a professional nanny to care for the kids?
3. If non of the above, who will take care of the kids?
4. Who's going to take care of the DS child?

These questions need to be answered before I'm going to get too excited with the McCain/Palin ticket. My experience with working Mothers has not been good. I find working Mothers have poor job performance. The job performance of Vice-President and President has not been that good lately, the last thing we need is even worst performance due to a working Mother.


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Breathing a sigh-of-relief here... I like the McCain's choice for V.P. ... she sounds like MY KIND of woman... honest, forthright, a no monkey-business type gal.

YES !!!!!


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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
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She Was A Member of the Buchanan Brigade

Posted by Richard Spencer -- August 29

Sarah Palin� -- Buchananite
Remember when Pat Buchanan ran a number of hard-right, fringe campaigns for president in the late 1980s, 1990s and 2000? Well, guess who was supporting him:
From an AP report in 1999: "Pat Buchanan brought his conservative message of a smaller government and an America First foreign policy to Fairbanks and Wasilla on Friday as he continued a campaign swing through Alaska. Buchanan's strong message championing states rights resonated with the roughly 85 people gathered for an Interior Republican luncheon in Fairbanks. ...Among those sporting Buchanan buttons were Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin and state Sen. Jerry Ward, R-Anchorage."
American Patrol Comment: McCain knew Sarah Palin was a Buchanan supporter when he picked her. Buchanan has been an outspoken opponent of amnesty (i.e., so-called comprehensive immigration reform) and it is likely that she agrees with him, so this is a very encouraging move.

That's all I need to know. I'm voting Palin '08. McCain is the wart on the ticket. I'm thinking long term. It's a shame, though, that her prospects for a future presidency may be sullied by a four or eight year association with the man. I hope he doesn't screw up too bad (ala George W. Bush) during his presidency so as to give Palin a shot when he's done.

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Originally Posted by Sanlen
Biden may have experience, but what good is experience when you're wrong about everything?
Exactly the point I've been making.

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Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm nervous with a Mom who has four children left at home with one having special disabilities that requires a full time Mom.

I read Dan Quayle's book of his Vice-President experiences with small children. It wasn't pretty and he was a Father not a Mother.


Puleezeeeeeee....You are quoting Dan Qualye, I repeat Dan Qualye.
(Sorry I was raised in a democrat household in Indiana!)

From what I can see she has teenagers that appear to be clean cut responsible kids (that is no small feat in this day and age). One of them even joined the army and I'll bet the courts didn't make it a suggestion. She is proud of her kids and they seem to be quite well raised even though she is holding a 24/7 job as Governor.

I stayed home and raised my kids except for a few brief periods when it was necessary for me to work and my kids turned out to be good, well rounded individuals but it wasn't just because I stayed home with them. It was because they had responsible parents who raised them well. (Pat on my own and Greenhornet's
back).

I have friends and relatives where both father and mother worked and guess what they also raised good, well rounded individuals. Those kids had more things than mine did but they appreciated them as mine would have if I had done the same thing.

My mother worked almost everyday of her adult life as did my father and none of my three siblings or I are alcoholics, druggies, or in prison, and never have been. We were taught you had to work to earn something and make something of yourself. None of us are divorced or separated, and we are all happily married.

It's the FAMILY VALUES you are taught by your parents. I think Sarah Palin and her husband have taught and are teaching their children good family values!

I think she will manage quite nicely as our vice-president and her children will be better for it. And I truly believe our country will be better for it.

I'm getting off of my soapbox now, I'm getting dizzy from the height.


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Originally Posted by Sassy
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm nervous with a Mom who has four children left at home with one having special disabilities that requires a full time Mom.

I read Dan Quayle's book of his Vice-President experiences with small children. It wasn't pretty and he was a Father not a Mother.


Puleezeeeeeee....You are quoting Dan Qualye, I repeat Dan Qualye.
(Sorry I was raised in a democrat household in Indiana!)

From what I can see she has teenagers that appear to be clean cut responsible kids (that is no small feat in this day and age). One of them even joined the army and I'll bet the courts didn't make it a suggestion. She is proud of her kids and they seem to be quite well raised even though she is holding a 24/7 job as Governor.

I stayed home and raised my kids except for a few brief periods when it was necessary for me to work and my kids turned out to be good, well rounded individuals but it wasn't just because I stayed home with them. It was because they had responsible parents who raised them well. (Pat on my own and Greenhornet's
back).

I have friends and relatives where both father and mother worked and guess what they also raised good, well rounded individuals. Those kids had more things than mine did but they appreciated them as mine would have if I had done the same thing.

My mother worked almost everyday of her adult life as did my father and none of my three siblings or I are alcoholics, druggies, or in prison, and never have been. We were taught you had to work to earn something and make something of yourself. None of us are divorced or separated, and we are all happily married.

It's the FAMILY VALUES you are taught by your parents. I think Sarah Palin and her husband have taught and are teaching their children good family values!

I think she will manage quite nicely as our vice-president and her children will be better for it. And I truly believe our country will be better for it.

I'm getting off of my soapbox now, I'm getting dizzy from the height.

All four of my grandparents worked while raising their kids (both my parents amongst them). They worked alternating shifts when the kids were young.

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I was raised in a co-working house back when it wasn't cool. Come to think of it, many if not most of the moms worked at least part time. And this was in the 1950s in a tiny, blue collar, Tennessee town.


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But all the moms took it upon themselves to raise everybody's children ...


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I certainly hope the Dems don't attempt to bring up our friend, Derby Dude's, talking points.

Wait, I take that back. Yes,I do!!


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I think it is going to be a very interesting election 'season' with McCain/Palin kicking azz on the socialist Obama!
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Okay I give up. I hope you are all right and I'm wrong and she is the best super duper VP and President we have ever had. I hope her kids turn out just fine.

Me personally, I question her ability to be a part-time VP and a full time Mom. And I question her ability to be a part-time President when it's her turn at bat.

At least when the Republican Presidency goes to hell in a hand basket it won't be my fault.

As to being the full time Governor of Alaska, I would imagine it's about the same as being full time Governor of Montana, a piece of cake except when the legislature is in town and even that is a piece of cake compared to being VP or President.

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Your pessimism is noted, Dude, and understood. But first things first: the Obama dream machine must be wrecked.


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Oh yeah, just noticed your signature. Without "Self-reliance, free thinking, and capitalism" the pilgrims would not have gotten on that boat.


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When I see Palin on the news I see a person who is PRO-GUN, PRO-LIFE,and PRO-REFORM. Now thats a candidate I can connect with!



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I believe that all of our presidents had families also. Did that make them a part time president and a part time parent? I don't think so. Sure would be nice if we could all just stay home and raise our kids without working.

What you are talking about is a double-standard. One standard for men and another for women. I am NOT a women's libber by any means but I do recognize the fact that women are just as capable as men when it comes raising a family and working. Some men are just as able to stay home and raise a family while the wife works. I see nothing wrong with that as long as the spouse at home is actually working at raising the family and not laying about living off the hard work of the spouse. (insert father or mother in place of spouse).

This isn't the 50's and Mrs. Cleaver is no longer the ideal that women look up to. As the old Virginia Slims ads said "We've come a long way baby!" I'm not a libber but I for one do appreciate getting away from the old 'barefoot and pregnant' system that used to permeate society. I believe it is up to the husband and wife to decide who works to support the family or if they both should. It's nobody's business except theirs.

Derby it is time to come down off the mountain and find out what is really happening today. It tain't half bad down here.



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Oh yeah, just noticed your signature. Without "Self-reliance, free thinking, and capitalism" the pilgrims would not have gotten on that boat.


Except the Pilgrims were socialist when they got off the boat. Didn't take them long to figure out that didn't work then (and won't work now) grin


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Originally Posted by Sassy
This isn't the 50's and Mrs. Cleaver is no longer the ideal that women look up to.
I always thought it was funny when June Cleaver would dress to the nines, hair salon-perfect, to do her house work.

That said, I see nothing wrong, and a lot right, with the traditional American family structure of the wife/mother being the primary home maker and child rearer (an awesomely important role in both the family and society), while the man is the primary bread winner and disciplinarian. Call me a sexist if you must, but that seems most in accord with nature to me.

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