Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles Hogdon Hybrid 100V.... Anyone tried it yet?

From the Hodgen site:
This excellent new product is the result of combining the technologies of spherical powders and extruded propellants. The chemistry of a spherical powder is combined with the geometry of an extruded propellant, creating a smooth-metering, super short granule extruded shaped propellant with high energy. HYBRID 100V has a burn speed between H4350 and H4831, yeilding superb performance in such popular calibers as 270 Winchester, 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum and dozens more.

Seems to be interesting, not that I need to purchase any more powder or anything like that, but it might be interesting to run in the 270

I've had some good velocities in my 7mm saum and .260 rem.

But I can't find it here (just moved) and will start playing around with Ramshot Hunter and VV 550 and 560.

What kind of velocities did you find in the 260? I`m taking it accuracy was exceptable. What powder range does it seem to burn similar to in the 260? R19, H4831?

Best accuracy with 130 gr. Accubonds was with 43 1/2 grains of H100V with a very consistant 2730 fps out of a 21" inch barrel (sako 75 finlight). No pressure signs, about max per Hodgdon..

This was about 50 fps greater that I was getting out of hodgdon's max load of H4831.

Accuracy is kinda a funny thing with this rifle, it shoots everything I feed it into tiny holes. I'm pretty sure It'll shoot gravel sub moa. So I'm pretty much messing around with velocity out of this short barrel. Like I said, Ramshot Hunter is next, and VV powders, too.

Per Hodgden, it is between 4831 and 4350

Ive used in in 280 Remington a bit, works well. Next year I will give it a go in 260 Remington

I have been testing a Hybrid 100V load in my brother's .280 REM (along with testing a load using Re19). The rifle is a 10 year old Remington M700 Stainless with a 22" barrel in a Remington synthetic stock.

Components in both tests use the Combined Technology 140 grain Ballistic Silvertip Bullet, R-P cases - same lot (new on the Re19 test, once fired on the H100V test). Primers are FED 210 w/57.0 grains (MAX) Re19 on the first test, and REM 9 1/2 with 54.0 grains (MAX) H100V on the second test. Both loads where worked up to their respective book maximums (Nosler #5 data for the Re19 load and the Hodgdon Reload Center on-line data for the H100V load). In both loads the maximum load proved to be the most accurate load in my brothers rifle.

The results are:
FED 210, 140 BST (COL 3.262"), R-P case, 57.0 Re19, three shot group, shot on 6-18-08 at 85F, BetaMaster Chrony at 10', 2751 avg fps, 3/4" group. (Nosler's #5 data achieved 3152 fps in a 26" barrel).

R-P 9 1/2, 140 BST (COL 3.262"), R-P case, 54.0 H100V, three shot group, shot at 8-8-08 at 81F, BetaMaster Chrony at 10', 2887 avg fps, 1/2" group. (Hodgdon's Data Center achieved 2847 fps in a 24" barrel).

I have another test batch made up using three different COL for each powder - that will be our final test. The COL of our first load was chosen to match the factory Winchester Supreme load that shot fairly well in his rifle at 2926 avg fps.

Ps. One interesting thing I noticed with the Nosler Reloder 19 data is that five other data sources (the Alliant website, Hornady 6, Lyman 48, Speer 14, Sierra V) only achieve 2800 fps to 2989 fps with 56-58 grains of Re19 in 22"-24" barrels using 139 or 140 grain cup and core bullets. I don't believe any hunting rifle can achieve Nosler's published velocity with their Re19 load. Even accounting for 4" less barrel length (between their test equipment and our rifle) that only explains an approximately 100 fps velocity loss - that still leaves 300 fps unaccounted for. I think there is some wishful thinking in the Nosler data. All the other data seems attainable or fairly accurate and matches my test results. Anyone here achieve (or come fairly close) to the Nosler velocities using their data?

Odessa, you are right down the road from me, where did you find the Hybrid at? Do the local guys in G'vegas have it or did you get it else where. I might want to pick up a pound as a sample, and there ain't no one worth a flip around here in regards to reloading stuff.

My experience with the Nosler book is similar, except for the velocity I get in a 7 Rem mag 140 Btip and their RL22 load get me over 3200 fps, I love the .280 but I dont get the speed I want except from my old .280RCBS imp., maybe I have a fast barrel,

Odessa,

Are you reading the .280 Ackley data?...jim

bryguy, My first pound came from the Dixie Gun Show in Raleigh back on August 9th. I bought another can of Hybrid 100V at Guns Unlimited in Ayden in early September; by the way, Guns Unlimited has another can (from lot #28) on the shelf - I saw it yesterday. Guns Unlimited has been keeping the new powders in stock (the Hybrid 100V at my request) since early September. Jerry Bowling (the owner) also ordered some Winchester Supreme 780, I have not loaded anything with that powder yet.

HunterJim, No, I used the .280 REM data in the #5 manual, but if you compare it to their .280AI data in the same manual Nosler has the .280 REM shooting 6 fps faster, using 3 grains less powder, than their .280AI is shooting. I think Nosler made a mistake in the .280 REM section (not on the powder charge, but on their velocity reading) in manual #5 - I don't have the new manual (#6) to cross check with.

He is one of the better gun shops around. The gun rack was ok, kinda high, but had a good selection of reloading stuff. I'll check him out in a day or 2, got to much stuff going on right now.

Nosler uses a 26 inch "test barrel" for their .280 Remington loads. There is a definate problem with their data. Nosler's speeds are unobtainable in most calibers. No other cup and core manufacturer has such optimistic speeds.

The Nosler No. 6 manual shows 280 Rem and RL19 data:

57,0 gr/3,152 fps
55.0 gr/3,027 fps
53.0 gr/2,902 fps

with a 26" Lilja 9" twist barrel.

jim

In my 22" ruger mkII 280 these are the velocities I got with 140gr BT/AB and RL19-

56gr - 2744fps
57gr - 2866fps
58gr - 2907fps
59gr - 3001fps

Even at 59grs the primer edges look the same as the 56gr load. No flattening of any kind. The Alliant website actually lists a 59gr load now IIRC.

Although this Hybrid 100V powder has been on the market for 3 years now, I'm having a hard time finding any in stock locally. 3 places already told me they have not stocked/do not plan to stock it as they've had no calls for it. One said they'd get it in but I'd have to buy the whole case lot...20 one pound bottles.

I finally relented and took a trip to Cabelas; they had 3 bottles on the shelf for the low, low price of $25.99!

I'm anxious to try it in my 6.5x284 NORMA R93 Blaser and Barnes TSX 120/130gr bullets.

I've used it in my 257 Roberts and 6.5x55. It has worked pretty well for me. I have similar results with H4350.

I used it a couple of days ago in my .257 remington, 48 grains, 100 grain ttsx, 2.805 col., pretty good accuracy, no chrony check as of yet.

Holy three year old thread, batman!