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I always liked their feel, but triggers on levers are a headache if left 'as is' for most I have tried.

That said, the BLR is a handy yet solid well built piece that pleases many owners in how well they shoot. May not group like a bolt, but if not using at long range it may well be moot.

Handling and balance/overall quality seems to be very good in my view, and I think a trigger job would be money VERY well spent.

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It's certainly one sweet little big cal. I love the 308Win, but ever since I bought myself a 7mm-08. I find myself not wanting another 308. 20% less recoil, 140gr TSX & your set!


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We own two 7-08s and IMHO the answer to the question is - Yes, it is. A handloader can load up a 7-08 using max recommeded loads and get it to meet or closely approach factory loads for the 270 with 130-140 gr bullets. By the same token, you can lay on a 270 and go up another 100 fps+ beyond that. The 7-08 usualy does it in a shorter, handier, lighter package with less recoil. But I am biased.


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Unless you really have to have a lever action, I wouldn't bother. You can make a .270 nice and light - then you have the real deal, not a close approximation. Jack O'Connor wasn't stupid; he didn't have the 7-08 available in his day, but he did have the 7x57, and while he thought the 7x57 was a fine round, he preferred the .270. A nice, light mountain rifle in .270 is hard to beat.

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If there is any real difference between these rounds on the target, it would take a microscope to see it, but if you don't reload, I would be concerned with ammo availability and lean toward the 308 in a short action.

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Originally Posted by Triggernosis
I currently shoot a .270 Win. bolt action rifle and am toying around with the idea of picking up a lever action in a short action caliber. I love the ballistics and energy of my .270.
Will the 7mm-08 be the closest "equivalent" to it in a short action caliber?
FWIW, I don't reload.


A 7mm-08 ain't a 270W, but the 7mm-08 is a good cartridge.

Now, if the 7mm-08 could drive a 160gr at 2800-2900fps, I'd be all over it...........


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I'll just let Bob handle it from a previous 7mm-08-270W thread...... grin


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Tom: I hate numbers games but,like most 7/08 users who proclaim it the 270's equal,you play with the facts.You've got maybe one "trick" bullet for the 7/08 that will do that and theoretically provide the on-game performance. I say "theoretically" because I have not yet swallowed the Barnes X Kool-Aid,but I will play your game grinSo here goes:

Latest Barnes manual lists the following MAX velocities for the 7/08 from a 24" Barrel and 120 TSX.(I don't know who offers a 24" barreled 7/08): 3047,3051,3031,2993,3025,3106,3010,3081,3070,3132.Based on my personal experience with the 7/08,you're unlikely to hit those numbers from a 22" barrel,the typical length.
If you want to talk a 140,one load goes over 2850.

Since you get to use the Barnes "trick bullet", so do I,110-270.The Barnes manual shows,for the 270 Winchester,same 24" barrel: 3452,3494,3501,3460,3430,3524.

I don't know what you call a 392 fps(given the best of each) advantage,but I call it "significant".

Even giving the 7/08 the "trick bullet" and looking at the 270 with a 130, the Barnes manual shows:3150,3152,3156,3133,3172,3211.Again, a solid advantage of the 270 over the trick bullet for the 7/08.And,again with 140 gr for the 7/08, no load hits even 2900.Every load for the 270-140 is over 3000.

At any distance to,say 500 yards the 270 will just shoot flatter,and just goes faster.It does this because the 270 HOLDS MORE POWDER, a little trick that 7/08 fanciers ignore to argue their "toy" is equal; it is not.

My own work with both cartridges bears this out.I have owned and loaded for maybe 7-8 7/08's.Most were hard-pressed to hit 2850 with 140's;none hit 2900.Most of the 25-30(it could easily be more, I am just not sure anymore) 270's I have loaded for over the years very handily hit 3100 or better with a 130 from 22" barrels.I have shot both out to 400 and 500 yards;at 300 the 270 is already leaving the 7/08 behind. The 270 just shoots flatter and is easier to hit with at 300 and beyond.

I know what you're you're going to say;today we have "dotz" so everything is equal. Sorry, but dotz don't count;we have always had dotz or some other reticle assist.I don't know what dotz have to do with speed;dotz do not make cartridges go faster.A 270 requires no dotz to at least 400;I know;been there,done that.At 500,some frame of reference is useful but not required.I have done enough shooting with the 7/08 to know it does not merit serious consideration as an open country cartridge in the class of the 270. Smarter guys than us have come to the same conclusion.

Like many who proclaim their "pet" of lesser capacity goes as fast as a cartridge of larger capacity,many 7/08 advocates stoop to playing with facts, or loading to higher pressures, etc. This game is very old,and some of us are not so easily fooled.The 7/08 has been around in its' own form, or another(7x57)for many years. Neither(both capable cartridges,don't get me wrong) has ever come within photo finish distance of the 270 and never will,because for every "trick" they can pull from their hats for the 7/08 or 7x57,another can be "pulled" out for the 270,and neither case holds as much powder as the 270.There is a very definite reason why the 270 is THE most popular,best selling long-range,open country cartridge to ever be produced,with the possible exception of the 7mm Rem Mag.

You cannot get around the fact that the 270 holds more powder,goes faster with any equivilent bullet at the SAME PRESSURES,and shoots flatter in the bargain.Just facts; just ballistics.



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why not get something heavier? Is not the BLR offered in .358 win? I have the same thought as you sometimes, but then sanity sets in and I just keep shooting my .270WCF. The .270WCF is just tough to beat. Browning offers their light weight take down BLR rifle in 308 and 358 that would really be something different! Granted if you did not have a 270 the 7-08 would be wonderful but to buy the .270 short when you have its big brother (270WCF)in my opinion is redundent.


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I'm not being lazy when I make this request guys -I just don't trust the pamphlets published by the ammo mfrs. - but, does anyone have any real-worl trajectory numbers comparing the two out to, say, 400 yds?

jimmyp, I'm honestly a recoil wimp and I think the .358 would absolutely punish me.

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The more I read about this little gem, the more I like it. Never owned a 270win, & I don't think I need too after reading this.


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Another 'gem' is the 6.5/308 aka 260. It will drive a good deer bullet well enough that I have for the moment stopped using the 7/08s, tad less recoil via 130 grains I am shooting, but loaded up w/like weights they are very simular in recoil.

Let's fact it, 95-99% of the game IMHO is killed under 300 yds, and likely 80-85% under 200 yds.

If someone wants a laser flat rifle for 400-1000 yds, there are specialty cartridges that will get down there better than a 7/08, 260 or 270, but if you are not intending, nor care to shoot past 400 yds, there is not much difference to spit, IMHO. Bullets ark heavily from 300-400 yds and range estimation has to be very spot on, rangefinders really help, but being off with a 'guestimate' can hurt,,,,,with any rifle. I'd rather shoot more rounds flinch free with 7/08, 260, 6.5x55 class rounds during practice and learn my rifle more.

Others who can do the same with magnum/mag class rounds my hat is off to them but I never felt....pun can be intended....it was as much fun to tolerate the increased recoil, blast, etc. and having to shorten my range sessions.

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a 130 nosler out of a 270 at about 3000 or so flattens the crap out of any deer I will shoot at! The 7-08 is wonderful, and so is the 260! but I have a 270!


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a 120g 7mm bullet at 3050 will "do" anything that the 130g .270cal bullet will do ... as well as trump it in terms of using less powder, utilizing a short action, with a little less recoil (all be it a basically insignificant amount) ...

and for conversation, the .270 130g Nosler BT has a BC of .433, while the 7mm 120g BT has a BC of .413 ... effectively insignificant difference ... so you're really not giving anything up there either ...

The more I use my 7mm-08, the more I wonder why I didn't get one sooner than I did ...


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Jimmy, true they all work. Nothing wrong with a 270, been there, done that, always worked. Just as others when steered correctly. Subtle differences....individual choices.

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the more I use my .270 win the more I like it...


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Originally Posted by ruraldoc

My 270 rifles drive 140 grain factory stuff out the muzzle at about 2900-2950fps. My 7mm08 is only 50-100 fps slower.

There is no difference between them in the field as far as I can tell.

Even Jack O'Connor who loved the 270,was a great admirer of the 7x57 with handloads. He lived before the 7mm-08 was a factory round but his 7x57 handloads were about identical to the modern 7mm-08.

You will find that the 7mm-08 does in fact do most anything in a short action that the 270 will do. Get one and fill an ark.


+ 1.........and I'm a forever 270 shooter; but I've more or less, recently moved to a 7-08 as a lighter overall package.

No flies on the 280 Rem either, though.

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Originally Posted by jimmyp
the more I use my .270 win the more I like it...


I think I need to give one a go.

Good thread BTTT


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A 7mm-08 ain't a 270W, but the 7mm-08 is a good cartridge.


I've owned both and I prefer the .270 Winchester unless you are trying to build an ultralight carbine. I'n a full sized rifle, you may as well have a full size cartridge.


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I've shot a 270 for about 25 years and a 7-08 for about 10. I reload for both and have found the 270/130gr. Nosler BT and the 7-08/139gr. Hornady SST to be equally successful on any deer I've shot. The Model 700 270 has taken some nice mule deer and the Browning 7-08 a couple of caribou, both have taken numerous whitetail. I like them both, both are extremely accurate but the 7-08 is much easier on recoil.
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