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Looks like we are going the way of the UK with this one. With the huge influx of muslims into America, they are bringing their Sharia law with them.

To what extent do we bend, as a culture, and allow this to take place?
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As America's Muslim population grows, so too does the influence of Islamic law, or Shariah, in daily life in the U.S.

"Shariah Law is the totality of the Muslim's obligation," said Abdullahi An-Na'im, a professor of law at Emory University in Atlanta. According to An-Na'im, Shariah is similar to Jewish Talmudic Law or Catholic Canon Law in that it guides an adherent's moral conduct.

"As a citizen, I am a subject of the United States," An-Na'im said. "I owe allegiance to the United States, to the Constitution of the United States. That is not inconsistent with observing a religious code in terms of my own personal behavior."

While many view this as a testament to the "great American melting pot," others see Islamic law's growing influence as a threat. Shariah's critics point to cases such as the airport in Minneapolis, where some Shariah-adherent taxi drivers made headlines in 2006 for refusing to pick up passengers they suspected of carrying liquor. The drivers' aversion to alcohol stemmed from a verse in the Qur'an that describes "intoxicants and gambling" as "an abomination of Satan's handiwork.
Last year, a Tyson Foods plant in Shelbyville, Tenn. replaced its traditional Labor Day holiday with paid time off on Eid al-Fitr, the Muslim festival � marking the end of fasting during Ramadan. A labor union had requested the change on behalf of hundreds of Muslim employees� many of them were immigrants from Somalia.

But public outcry over the decision to dismiss Labor Day quickly prompted the company and union to negotiate a new contract that makes accommodations for both holidays.

In 2007, the University of Michigan installed ritual foot baths to accommodate Islamic tradition. "These things are beginning to percolate up as Shariah-adherent Muslims insist that their preferences and practices be accommodated by the rest of the population," said Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security Policy � a Washington think tank.

Gaffney predicted the U.S. could soon face problems similar to some Western European countries, where the religious values of Muslim immigrants sometimes clash with their highly secular host cultures.

But Professor An-Na'im believes it will be different in America. "The variety of American secularism � which is much more receptive of public displays of religion and a public role for religion � is, in fact, more conducive for Muslims to be citizens and to be comfortable with their religious values and citizenship than European countries," An-Na'im said.


isn't it comforting to hear a muslim tell us that there is nothing to worry about?


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I guess we here are comforted indeed, and totally unconcerned.


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I can pretty much promise you that here in the south any "law" that requires women to wear a burka aint gonna get much play...
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I guess Ringworm will finaly have freinds now that will think the way he does.
Just don't try to force that muslim BS on me. It's fargin war!!!


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Barry is out of control... everyone with an ounce of sense needs to see this:

By MEGHAN CLYNE
Koh: Wants US courts to apply "world law."

March 30, 2009

JUDGES should interpret the Constitution according to other nations' legal "norms." Sharia law could apply to disputes in US courts. The United States constitutes an "axis of disobedience" along with North Korea and Saddam-era Iraq.

Those are the views of the man on track to become one of the US government's top lawyers: Harold Koh.

President Obama has nominated Koh -- until last week the dean of Yale Law School -- to be the State Department's legal adviser. In that job, Koh would forge a wide range of international agreements on issues from trade to arms control, and help represent our country in such places as the United Nations and the International Court of Justice.

It's a job where you want a strong defender of America's sovereignty. But that's not Koh. He's a fan of "transnational legal process," arguing that the distinctions between US and international law should vanish.

What would this look like in a practical sense? Well, California voters have overruled their courts, which had imposed same-sex marriage on the state. Koh would like to see such matters go up the chain through federal courts -- which, in turn, should look to the rest of the world. If Canada, the European Human Rights Commission and the United Nations all say gay marriage should be legal -- well, then, it should be legal in California too, regardless of what the state's voters and elected representatives might say.

He even believes judges should use this "logic" to strike down the death penalty, which is clearly permitted in the US Constitution.

The primacy of international legal "norms" applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child -- a problematic document that we haven't ratified -- should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.

Including, apparently, the world of radical imams. A New York lawyer, Steven Stein, says that, in addressing the Yale Club of Greenwich in 2007, Koh claimed that "in an appropriate case, he didn't see any reason why sharia law would not be applied to govern a case in the United States."

A spokeswoman for Koh said she couldn't confirm the incident, responding: "I had heard that some guy . . . had asked a question about sharia law, and that Dean Koh had said something about that while there are obvious differences among the many different legal systems, they also share some common legal concepts."

Score one for America's enemies and hostile international bureaucrats, zero for American democracy.

Koh has called America's focus on the War on Terror "obsessive." In 2004, he listed countries that flagrantly disregard international law -- "most prominently, North Korea, Iraq, and our own country, the United States of America," which he branded "the axis of disobedience."

He has also accused President George Bush of abusing international law to justify the invasion of Iraq, comparing his "advocacy of unfettered presidential power" to President Richard Nixon's. And that was the first Bush -- Koh was attacking the 1991 operation to liberate Kuwait, four days after fighting began in Operation Desert Storm.

Koh has also praised the Nicaraguan Sandinistas' use in the 1980s of the International Court of Justice to get Congress to stop funding the Contras. Imagine such international lawyering by rogue nations like Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela today, and you can see the danger in Koh's theories.

Koh, a self-described "activist," would plainly promote his views aggressively once at State. He's not likely to feel limited by the letter of the law -- in 1994, he told The New Republic: "I'd rather have [former Supreme Court Justice Harry] Blackmun, who uses the wrong reasoning in Roe [v. Wade] to get the right results, and let other people figure out the right reasoning."

Worse, the State job might be a launching pad for a Supreme Court nomination. (He's on many liberals' short lists for the high court.) Since this job requires Senate confirmation, it's certainly a useful trial run.

What happens to Koh in the Senate will send an important signal. If he sails through to State, he's a far better bet to make it onto the Supreme Court. So Senate Republicans have a duty to expose and confront his radical views.

Even though he's up for a State Department job, Koh is a key test case in the "judicial wars." If he makes it through (which he will if he gets even a single GOP vote) the message to the Obama team will be: You can pick 'em as radical as you like.


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i would think that some of the people here wouldnt mind sharia law. i mean cutting off hands of thieves and stoning [bleep].
hell seems right in line with a group of who want govenment drug testing and shooting people who cross the southern border illigaly.

whats not to like guys? seems like your preparing the way for this kind of thought. the last couple days the posts have been far right religious extremist and draconian govenmental powers.
whats the difference?



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Just called Specter's and Casey's offices about this one. Thanks for the link.



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Originally Posted by ringworm
i would think that some of the people here wouldnt mind sharia law. i mean cutting off hands of thieves and stoning [bleep].
hell seems right in line with a group of who want govenment drug testing and shooting people who cross the southern border illigaly.

whats not to like guys? seems like your preparing the way for this kind of thought. the last couple days the posts have been far right religious extremist and draconian govenmental powers.
whats the difference?



either you and I are reading a different forum, or you are not seeing the posts the way I do.


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I like the stoning [bleep] part.Actualy it all don't sound that bad.Hmmm


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
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i would think that some of the people here wouldnt mind sharia law. i mean cutting off hands of thieves and stoning [bleep].
hell seems right in line with a group of who want govenment drug testing and shooting people who cross the southern border illigaly.

whats not to like guys? seems like your preparing the way for this kind of thought. the last couple days the posts have been far right religious extremist and draconian govenmental powers.
whats the difference?



either you and I are reading a different forum, or you are not seeing the posts the way I do.


both are possible, my friend.


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60 Minutes did a piece on this last night. Maybe some of you saw it. I find it curious that the places "Sharia" law seems to be creeping in are doing so on the basis of the free market - not so much government intervention (which would probably be unconstitutional), but apparently because non-muslims aren't really into packing houses or driving taxi's . . .


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