Figured it out now, Couldn't stay away, could you? The campfire just drew you back! You used to have a lot to offer people with questions, now you seem a bit more egostistical and cynical. What board corrupted you so? Welcome home anyway and trust me, I hunt safe, just under different conditions than you.

HH

I did the flashlight with white cue-card test on a few of my scopes and the results are as follows:
From lowest power to highest.
Leupold Vari-XII 2-7x32 - 3.5-4.5"
Simmons master series prohunter 3-10x44 - 4-4.5"
Tasco mag 6-24x40 - 3-3.5"
Burris FFII tactical 3-9x40 - 3.5-4.5"
Bushnell trophy 3-9x40 - 3-3.5"
Vortex diamondback 4-12x40 - 3.3-3.8"
Leupold rifleman 3-9x40 - 3.5-4"

Now I'm a Liberal for chastising THE most stupid of all Outdoors practices,in vehemently taking issue with someone with your IQ,waving a rifle around the landscape looking for a needle in the haystack? Interesting approach,to try and pawn off your stupidity.

Of course this all relates to eye-relief,as the crux hasn't been deviated from(yet). What you are quick to miss and upon several levels is a "new" invention called binoculars. It is a marvel of engineering that precludes having to point your muzzle at everything you think wiggled and there is a rather powereful inherent virtue that allows most to correlate the proximity of the victim,to the then shouldered arm. It mitigates all and's,if's or but's,adds precious time to the duration of fruitful Hunting hours and to date,noone has been "accidentally" shot with them. We call that pretty good odds(understatement).

Coming full circle and touching more than just a little on the practice which always bear the most fruit,a simplistic light/bright bombproof 6x42 will get a 300Wby to 1K rather easily,as the amount of ele correction requisite is more than capably covered.

That eye-relief is in a whole other league and it matters nary a whit if a guy is gunning wronghand,fending steep angles or doing the MPAJ shuffle...as it simply can't/won't bite. That of course assuming a shred of sense in how/where to mount it,which just might exclude you. The generous ocular diameter,coupled with the generous objective diameter,do a veddy nice job of making the most outta the available light.

You nicely sidestepped how you were steering those 440yd boolits into Venison and that's gotta be just as funny as the rest of your botch job. May as well ring the bell and say something about the ammo too,as well as rifle particulars.

You might wanna put on a helmet.

This has been beat up quite a bit in the past,but I like to see things for myself,so am not much into factoring eye-relief in any other way than using my eye.(grin)

The cheek being pressed against a static object,is a pretty good starting point. Glass in question on a flat surface at eye level is a second. Sliding same forward until full FOV wanes,would be the Finish Line.

From there,it is easy to denote the rearmost portion of the ocular and reference that dimension for extrapolations. We are saying the same thing.

Ok, this is all quite interesting stuff. Yes, the eye relief is measured to the eye ball but on my face there is not much difference in length between my eye ball and eyebrow. The torch test is the most objective test.

The figures quoted on this thread are very useful. Would be nice to see a full list populated and added to the optics sections as a sticky. I found that I had to get up close to the Leupold VX111 2-8x32 as well. I really got nervy after a session with a client's rifle and this scope. Thing is, this is the sort of scope that a person might consider putting on a rifle for a trip to Africa- perhaps a .416 caliber rifle. The combination would be hell for folk who find short eye relief unbearable.

You can always mount a 6x42 with it's ocular lockring snugged to the rear scope ring.

Hint.