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Odd, I don't see any marks in the pic where the jockey was hittin' him... laugh
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Alright, see if this works, I hope it does. No more light weights (me included) here is a MN buck...227# Don't have an offical score, but for an 8, its up there. 10" g2's, long brows, 22" main beams, 18.5" wide.

Shot in the thick and nasty behind me in the pic. 7yds.

[img][IMG]http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr102/tzone777/8-ptMNbuck_Page_2.jpg[/img][/img]

This pic shows how wide he is, he's dressed and his ribs are still wider than his hips and shoulders.
[img][IMG]http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr102/tzone777/8-ptMNbuck_Page_1.jpg[/img][/img]

Nearly no fat after skinning him, but I'll be damned if he didn't taste better than any deer we've ever eaten.






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Dats a NICE whitetail!!! laugh
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Beautiful deer! I really like the mass of that rack.


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Thanks, the tines are "bladed" too, so they look kind of neat.


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Cool! I've got one on the wall that's "bladed" like that (but not as nice as yours), and you're right, they look neat. I killed one in NW Alabama about 15 years ago that was palmated on one side. That had to have given him a neck-ache totin' around that wopsided rack.


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Well, I live in the area and hunt the whitetails in question...

I/we've used everything from a .257 Roberts (favourite), .250/3000 (.250 Savage), .264 Win, .260 Rem, .280 Ack Imp (favourite), just bought a 7mm RSUM, 7mm Rem mag, 7mm-08, .300 Weatherby, H&H and Win mags, .30 WCF, .318 WR, .35 Rem, .35 Whelan .358 Win, .45/70 and the most, 75%, were taken with a .303 British...

The quarter bores (.250) would be the smallest calibre that I would even consider...As we might encounter moose in some of the areas while deer hunting most of the guys, with moose & deer tags, carry heavier calibers, so hence the big mags and .35 calibres...I prefered my .318 WR and just love the .358 Win Browning BLR for moose!

The primary difference was whether we were hunting grains fields or scrub brush or heavy bush and that dictates what we used...Fields go for miles so any distance is foreseeable but 200 to 300 is the norm, scrub bush anything from 25 to 250 yds with a 125 to 150 norm and thick bush of 25 to maybe 125 yds with the most around 60 to 75 yds...

We also go for archery and blackpowder seasons and use 50# bows and .50 or .54 round balls or sabots in the in-line guns that some of the relatives are using now...

We are meat hunters and will take a large doe, preferably, if allowed in that area over any buck--better tasting meat...I have been deer hunting since 1959/60 and my first deer was with a borrowed, open sighted .303 from one of my uncles and shot at around 125 yds away standing almost broadside in my grandfather's grain field (which I now own)...


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Killed a 160 class buck in central Mississippi a few years ago. Live weight of this buck was 304lbs. He was aged at 7 1/2 yrs. 7-08 with a 140XLC from about 220yds dropped him like a sack of sand. Shot was quartering to and POI was where neck/shoulder meet up. Innards looked like jello. I'm no northern deer expert, but i'd say its a safe bet those deer are just the same as the ones down south. IMO...outfitters want large calibers with heavy bullets and high velocities...so even if the shot isnt exactly where you wanted it, you'll blow the deer in half so it cant run far. Thus, no lost game and no long drawn out tracking.


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I came home with a 140lb deer, you guys make me green.


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
tzone: I don't remember the formula, but if you killed one that dressed 227,that's pretty close to a 300 pound deer, on the hoof....and when I say 300 pounds, I mean on the hoof....




It was shot with the 'ol reliable 30-06. Never would guess it was remington corelokts 150gr too. Oh the HUMANITY. grin


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I've been doing the Canada thing for the past couple years lately, and the
30-06 has no trouble gettin er done.

SKane, you're right on about the guys with the big mouths, big mouths, big calibers and they shoot SMALL deer!

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The worst part about those big rascals is loading the darn things when you are by yourself. We get a 250-275lber on the hoof(prerut) once in a while over in the MS Delta. If I'm by myself, I just drag em back to the truck with an atv and right up on the trailer. A 200lber is about all I care to fool with when it comes to loading one on the rack of an atv.

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My wife took this buck with a .257 Rbts. He was about 205 lbs dressed, but with just her and I to drag it up out of the canyon in all that snow, I would have sworn he was 400# when we got done!

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
I know most deer don't run this big,but still they exist over a pretty wide range of whitetail and mule deer country. What's curious is that these are the one's that seem to cause so much concern for some folks when it comes to rifles and cartridges...judging from some posts here,and from many conversations with other hunters,they seem to be concerned that these animals are really "tough".....

I get in these conversations with some traveling hunters headed "out West",and especially Central Canada who think things like 300 RUM's etc are absolutely essential for deer in this weight class.Up there,I've had guys armed with 338 RUM's look at me seriously and tell me that using anything smaller than a 180 gr bullet at 3100 on these 300 pound deer,and you might as well be using a fly-swatter.

Can anyone explain this? Even a 300 pound deer is not a particularly large animal.....is this the threshhold in weight for moving to a big belted 30 for some guys?



Biggest whitetail I shot dressed 250 lbs. 308 handled him just fine. Largest one I have personally seen in my area went 26z lbs dressed. 308 put that guy down with 1 shot too. smile


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While in college I worked for the Maine Dept. of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife taking weights, antler measuresments, and tooth samples of bucks shot in northern Aroostook County. In those 2 years I weighted a lot of deer and the biggest I saw (weight wise) was 265 dressed followed by a 264. In my humble opinion, it takes a big deer to dress at over 200 pounds and a huge one to get over 250.

The biggest deflator of egos is a certifed scale. The sad part was hunters who were tickled pink with a deer they thought would dress at over 200 pounds were pissed that it "only" dressed at 185. Still a great deer no matter what.


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The older I get the less I want to drag a deer. A little doe isn't too bad, but on a deer of any size, I would say 200yds is about the max.

I just skin it up one side.. get the two quarters, backstrap and loin and any easy rib meat, Flip it over and do the same on the other side. Took me an hour first time I tried, now its about half that. Its very rare to see eastern deer hunters quarter and carry, but these days a half mile drag will about kill me.

On an average deer I can carry the whole deal and head out in one trip.. a real toad I might have to do two.


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Originally Posted by JDK


The biggest deflator of egos is a certifed scale. The sad part was hunters who were tickled pink with a deer they thought would dress at over 200 pounds were pissed that it "only" dressed at 185. Still a great deer no matter what.



I watched a grown man litteraly pout at the Butternut Feed Mill, in Butternut, WI because his buck 'only' weighed 195#. He was sure it in the 220 range.

BTW, I'd venture a conservative guess it scored in the 150's and he was upset. crazy


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I hunt with some guys from Maine every once in a while. They tell me guys get more worked up about weight than horns up that way.

Down here we have such a mixed bag of weights depending on the fertility of the soil that I really don't care if they weigh 120 or 275. Those light ones sure are easy to drag.

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Originally Posted by Reloader7RM
I hunt with some guys from Maine every once in a while. They tell me guys get more worked up about weight than horns up that way.Down here we have such a mixed bag of weights depending on the fertility of the soil that I really don't care if they weigh 120 or 275. Those light ones sure are easy to drag.


this is pretty accurate. horns dont get me stemmy, big bodys are what we go after. somethin about that 200 lb club patch, cant get enough of em' however, generally speaking those bigger deer tend to carry a hell of a rack when thay get up over 200 but the smallers racked bucks, crotch horns spikes and smaller 6ers generally weigh in between 140-165 dressed

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