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#305089 - 06/11/04 05:46 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
teal Offline
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Registered: 08/13/03
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I was never on the shooters forum as I believe that closed before I was dragged into the world of technology by my wife.

I have often read the posts and reunions that take place here of old shooters members and wonder what I have missed?

I was wondering if I could get a short comparison of the good and bad between the 24HCF and Shooters? Well in the spirit of Reagan only the good!!!

BTW - I use this computer pretty much exclusivly to play the cabela's hunting games and surf hunting/shooting forums exclusivly - news a little but I usually have the news on while I am here or I just ignore it till I get to work.
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#305090 - 06/11/04 05:59 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
T LEE Offline
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Shooters had MUCH excellant information in it's data base, the trolls however pretty near burnt it down and many of us moved on to places like Rick's joint here. Pretty much the cream floated and left the rest behind.
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#305091 - 06/12/04 05:32 AM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
7mmbuster Offline
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Registered: 02/03/01
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Loc: Alum Bank, PA, U.S.A.
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Dammit! A thread like this just as I'm about to pull the plug




I know what you're saying! I tire of political post, and though I wish we could find another "Gipper", I'm not into arguing for or against him. RIP and thankyou are all I have to say there.

As to 1777 being pretty late for the area, I doubt anyone told the Indians that. We're a good bit east of the Ohio Valley and Ft Pitt, but the country north of here is pretty rugged, and was sparsley settled at the time. Col. John Phillips and a band of "Bedford Rangers" were massacred near present Altoona as late as 1780.

This area is pretty rich in history, but unfortanatley not much is recorded. The Tull's Hill story is bareley a blurb in most books. The only mention of it other than local publications I've found is in "The Indian Wars of Pennsylvania" by C. Hale Snipe. A HS bud of mine lived near there, and we done alot of hunting & camping back then. His dad was a history buff too.

As to Delawares commiting this particular murder, I can't say. For the most part they remained nuetral up until 1780 or so. Not to say that they didn't mount the occasional scalp hunt now and then, though. It is odd that no whites were taken alive, as most Indian parties took back prisoners, and often adopted them into the tribe. Maybe the Tull girls weren't that cute?

The Moravian Massacre was in retaliation for some nastieness ocurring in Washington County in the spring of '82. I believe their camp was in Ohio at the time. The militia used a cooper's mallet to do most of them in.

Lee, the scalp bounty is open to question. I'd always heard the French were the first to offer such during the Seven Years War, but have heard of scalps being lifted as trophies long before that. PA offered scalp bounties during The French & Indian war, as well as The Revolution. Possibly During Pontiac's War too. I honestly couldn't say where the practice started. Another one of those things that kinda slipped through the cracks of recorded history. Hey, if you have some more stories, how's about sharing? I eat stuff like this up!

Dixie, I'm in Bedford County, about 10 miles north of Shawnee State Park. Alum Bank is usually Pleasantville, depending on the map. One of those where the mailing adress differs from the towns name. At any rate, if you take Rt 96 north from Schellsburg, you go by my house.
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Edited by 7mmbuster (06/12/04 08:45 AM)
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#305092 - 06/12/04 07:54 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
DixieFreedom Offline
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Registered: 09/06/03
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Bedford County...

That ain't too far from here.

You ever run into Bruce Baer up your way?

How far are you from Raystown Lake?

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#305093 - 06/14/04 04:53 AM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
7mmbuster Offline
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Registered: 02/03/01
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Loc: Alum Bank, PA, U.S.A.
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Bedford County...

That ain't too far from here.




I thought you lived in Franklin County near Gettysburg.

Raystown lake is about 40 miles east. I haven't been down there in years, unless you count the dirt speedway nearby. I'm not much of a fisherman, and can't swim, so I don't fool around in a boat. There's some big stuff running around Raystown, and if these guy pilot a boat like they do a car, I want no part in it! Add in a few six-packs, and it's a wonder they ain't pulling bodies outta there all the time!!
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#305094 - 06/14/04 05:20 AM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
shreck Offline
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Registered: 06/01/04
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Loc: littoral North Carolina
the scalp bounty is open to question

It could have started on it's own, as proof of a warrior's poweress in battle. The samurai took heads and even held viewings. There was a story of a young samurai perfuming his hair before battle so his rotting head would not give offense.
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#305095 - 06/14/04 07:45 AM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
shaman Offline
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Registered: 12/28/02
Posts: 4229
Loc: Neave, KY
If you want to go watch the whole massacre played out before your very eyes, visit this place:

Trumpet in the Land

It's an outdoor portrayal of the massacre complete with the mallet, the 100 slain indians and 10 minutes of brains being spattered over the stage.

I had a girlfriend who worked there one summer, and helped build the urea foam mountain on the left of the stage. I went to visit and caught the show.

Those Moravians really dug the whole thing. The theatre was filled with mostly Moravians in their archaic dress and a few tourists. They really loved the Injuns getting it.


7mmbuster: I've done a lot of hiking at Shawnee. In fact the Silver Arrow that starts at Camp Oyo is my favorite quick overnighter for working out the Winter kinks. The campground at Roosevelt Lake is my favorite destination for an "emergency campout" when I get up on Saturday morning and announce we're bugging out. It's close, (but not too close) uncrowded and clean. My first time there in 1984-- had a black bear come by at 3 AM. The whole campground went nuts!

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#305096 - 06/14/04 08:42 AM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
7mmbuster Offline
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Registered: 02/03/01
Posts: 2613
Loc: Alum Bank, PA, U.S.A.
Shaman, let me know next time you're out this way. We'll get together cold a cold brew or iced tea. Your choice, my treat.

My boy's out in you neck o' the woods now. He'll start college at Mt St Joeseph come fall. Right now he's staying with friends at Cresent Springs just across the river in Kentucky. Hoping for a summer job, plus, if you're framilar with Bedford County, you know it can be boring for an 18 yr old!
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#305097 - 06/14/04 12:22 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
shaman Offline
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Registered: 12/28/02
Posts: 4229
Loc: Neave, KY
Cool!

Tell your boy to check out the deer over in the orchard at Mt. St. Joe. It's across the street from the main campus. The nuns used to tend it, but it's now largely unvisited.

I was angling for a few years to figure out a way to get in there and take one of them, but I could never figure out a way. That whole side of town is crawling with whitetail. Hamilton County has one of the densest urban deer populations in the nation.

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#305098 - 06/14/04 02:35 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
DixieFreedom Offline
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Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 3620
7mmbuster:

Someday...

I'd really really like to get a small farm up your way. A fellow at work lives in Little Cove down south from you, a 60 acre farm with a double wide went for about 250 grand! OUCH! Too rich for my blood. What is the price of land up your way?

If I understand it, you are in the middle of no where? How far from the turnpike?

Bruce Baer... you gotta meet that guy! Great gunsmith and a real nice guy. Good prices too.

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