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Does anyone have 195 gr. 7mm rem mag handload recipes?

Why would you?????

There must be a lighter bullet that will do whatever a 195 grain .284" bullet will do and do it faster/flatter/better.

Who makes 195 grain .284" component bullets and for what application?

Jeff

Jeff: I think it would make a better bear buster in heavy brush.

I agree with Jeff, and if it is that heavy of brush why are you shooting. Don't know anything about bears but I do see my fair share of brush and if it is questionable they the shot shouldn't be taken. HAPPY HUNTING

What I mean by heavy brush is thick stuff where a shot will be short. Where a heavy 4 cal. bullet is needed.

( 195 gr. bullet at 2600 fps sounds about right)
for hogs and bears

Black bears or dangerous bears?

Black bears aren't very tough, so anything with 30-30 or 44 Magnum power will do the job.

Dangerous bears are, well, dangerous and I think that I'd want to be shooting the most powerful cartridge that I could handle well if confronting them in heavy brush at close range was in the cards. As a minimum, I'd be thinking more along the lines of a 9.3x62 with 286 grain Partitions.

Jeff

Well said. If it cannot be done with a premium 140-150gr bullet in a 7mag, you really want a 35-45 cal. rifle. No earthly reason for 175's anymore, let alone a 195.

I would think there might be stability issues with a 195 grain bullet (if available) in many 7mm mags.

The heavy pure copper and lead Barnes Originals are really nice bullets. I use the 300 grainers in 358 Norma and 115 grains in 6mm and will be sad when I run out. I had a box of 7mm 195 grains that I used H870 with and RL 22 as well as IMR 7828. I settled on 59 grains of RL22 but would work up. 2650Ft/sec was what I remember. (26" barrell). The bc of the 195 grain was great as it was a pointed bullet.

In the heaviest weights the Barnes really work well on heavy game. The 300 grain 358 for example out penetrates the lighter X or partition bullets and leaves a better 2nd half wound channel. Very reliable.

If you are using a different semi custom or custom design I have no direct experience.

Interesting notes there. I just loaded the 250gr and 225 gr Barnes originals up in my 348AI. I am looking forward to seeing how they perform on game.

If I were shooting a 7mm RemMag though, I would load the 140gr TTSX's and be happy, but I would not usee a 7mm on anything larger than an Elk or black bear. For moose, big bears etc I would step up a caliber or three with a fast 33 being my starting point and going up from there.

Maybe with the really heavy Barnes originals the 7mm becomes a more reliable large game weapon.

Didn't realize that 195gr 7mm's were ever made. Largest I'm shooting is 175 and that's just cuz i'm gonna use my 7mm Mag in South Africa this September.
And there are stability issues in 7mm, 175gr. Barnes TSX. You have to have a 9 1/4" twist or better. I called Barned to ask about my Model 70 (9 1/2" twist) and they told me the 175gr would not stabilize in my rifle.

Other than that, a 160gr TSX or A-frame should get the job done.

I would think a guy would need a real fast twist for something as long as a .284" 195 grain.
1 in 8" perhaps?

I will side with the heavy/slow idea just a bit since "faster and flatter" doesn't always answer the question. (Or apparently Woodleigh is kept in business by a bunch of clueless people.) While lightning bolts do seem to be effective on some critters, there are others which seem to be equally or more impressed by slower penetrating, expanding slugs. A nice heavy soft point can be the answer. (No the lazer-like 30-378 loaded with 180 grains of blazing copper is not always better than a plain old 300 SP in the H&H!) There's many ways to tailor one's intentions. While the 223 kills much better than it should according to paper - and few seem to flinch much at the idea of send 130 grain copper telegrams into behemoths via some sort of 300 mag- there really is no reason not to use a heavy in the 7 Mag if is shoots adequately and will serve the purpose.

I would start at 7828 on the "fast" side of things and go slower if necessary with the heavies in the 7 Mag.

I have always liked heavy for caliber bullets if the terrian allows it..but the purpose of the 7 mag is long range shooting and I believe the 175 gr. bullet shines as the wind does not deflect it much and it loses velocity at a slower rate than lighter bullets..I use the 175 in my 7x57s at 2600 FPS and they sure shoot flat over extended range and they kill very well indeed. I have not used the 195 but I would not hesitate if they shot well in my gun and performed well on game..I doubt that those old barnes bullet will perform to my satisfaction as I would bet they are a bit too tough in the front portion and won't expand well at long range.

The ideal elk bullet is a 175 gr. 7 mag at 3000 FPS, a 300 magnum with 200 gr. bullets at near that same speed. both are outstanding on about all game.

Wish I did.......and some of those 195 gr. Barnes .284 bullets to go with it.

I always loved the Barnes 180 gr. .277 torpedoes.

Oh well.