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#3096080 - 06/12/09 Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest
CWD Offline
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I'm looking to put a scope on a Rem. 700 5R .308, I plan on shooting out to 800yds(Target). I have a couple of Zeiss Conquest scopes and I'm real happy with them.
For the folks that have used both Swaro and Zeiss which is the better value? With the AV line being a little cheaper now that they are discontinued I'm not sure which route to take. In the Zeiss I'm thinking 4.5-14x50 w/z-1000 reticle. In the Swaro 4-12x50 w/ BR reticle.
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#3096200 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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I own both and I prefer the cheaper Conquest. If I were you I'd try to look thru both and see which you like better.

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#3096362 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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Registered: 07/27/03
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Loc: Alberta Canada
I have owned both,but I mounted a Nightforce nxs 3.5x15x50 on my own 5-R.Nightforce isn't cheap,but for a target scope,it is by far my favorite.

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#3096582 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: stubblejumper]
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I am a big Swarovski fan, but was never taken by their AV range for some reason. I've not owned a Conquest, but has a chance to shoot a rifle with 4.5-14x50 on it and I was very impressed.

Quality wise, I'm betting there little in them so just try to handle one and look through it and see which you prefer, but for me it would be the Conquest..
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#3096623 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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No target shooting here, but I compared the AV to the Conquest when looking for a 3-9, and I preferred the Conquest, even without the $500 advantage.

Then again, I also preferred the Zeiss 8x42 FL's to the comperable Swarovski model, so it might be that I'm just not a Swaro kind of guy. Maybe my eyes prefer a different kind of coatings - dunno.

With both brands having sterling reputations, go take your eyes for a stroll at the gun store, & pick the one that your eyes like best. Some may make fun of your choice, but I promise that I won't!

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#3096630 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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I have both.

I slightly prefer the Swarovski AV over the Zeiss Conquest, but the difference is not large!

John

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#3096772 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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Don't have a Swaro anymore. Still have that Zeiss. Being that the glass is the same, I would be very surprised could a person tell the difference without instrumentation.

Everyone should have such choices.

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#3097069 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: MILES58]
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I have both. I like the optics slightly better in the Swaro, I like the etched reticle better in the Zeiss. They have both been super tough and reliable. I'd probably pick the conquest due to price since it is close to the AV optically.
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#3097570 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: JGRaider]
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I have both and prefer Swarovski!

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#3098093 - 06/12/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: Popapi]
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Both are good scopes but I see them as being for quite different purposes. The Swaro is an excellent hunting scope, it's lighter than some 3-10x40 scopes and not having the adjustable objective is an advantage in some hunting situations.
The Zeiss is pretty heavy at over 20oz but has target knobs and side focus which are advantages on a tactical style rifle where the extra weight isn't as big an issue.

I'd choose the scope depending on whether the rifle is a hunting or a tactical style rifle. I don't think the optical differences are nearly as great as the features differences...............DJ
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#3099274 - 06/13/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: djpaintless]
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I have both and like both. The zeiss is heavy but on a heavy varmit rifle. The swaro sits ona kimber 257 select and works great on it.

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#3099991 - 06/14/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: Folically_Challenged]
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 Originally Posted By: Folically_Challenged
No target shooting here, but I compared the AV to the Conquest when looking for a 3-9, and I preferred the Conquest, even without the $500 advantage.

Then again, I also preferred the Zeiss 8x42 FL's to the comperable Swarovski model, so it might be that I'm just not a Swaro kind of guy. Maybe my eyes prefer a different kind of coatings - dunno.

With both brands having sterling reputations, go take your eyes for a stroll at the gun store, & pick the one that your eyes like best. Some may make fun of your choice, but I promise that I won't!

FC

your eyes are like mine, I like the Zeiss 8 x 42 Victory over the Leica and Swaro binocs and the conquest view over the swaro scope.
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#3099996 - 06/14/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: jimmyp]
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I've had both and prefer the Swarovski. The image from each is quite good. My preference is more because of the lighter weight and slimmer profile of the Swarovski.

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#3100612 - 06/14/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: JimR]
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I do have a few of each, and have never done a side by side comparison, and probably never will.
There are things about each one that I like, and a few don't likes too. But, both have very good glass.
I just watch to see when Doug has a good price for something I need, whether it be Swaro or Conquest, and buy it.
Amen on the sleekness of the Swaro AV's however.
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#3104754 - 06/16/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: CWD]
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 Originally Posted By: CWD
I'm looking to put a scope on a Rem. 700 5R .308, I plan on shooting out to 800yds(Target). I have a couple of Zeiss Conquest scopes and I'm real happy with them.
For the folks that have used both Swaro and Zeiss which is the better value? With the AV line being a little cheaper now that they are discontinued I'm not sure which route to take. In the Zeiss I'm thinking 4.5-14x50 w/z-1000 reticle. In the Swaro 4-12x50 w/ BR reticle.


You mention shooting to 800 yards, at this range the time for using whatever fluffy reticle you prefer is over and it is time to start clicking in your elevation turret. It is when this happens that the Swarovski AV falls short, not just of the Zeiss but of most scopes.
If you get a Swarovski AV dialed in it will hold Zero. but if you have it dialed in with say a 300yard zero then dial it up for a 800yard shot then back to your 300yard zero IT WILL NEVER RETURN TO ZERO. this line of scopes have some of the better glass you will find but have the worst mechanic's of any scope on the planet priced over $300.
For long range use I would opt for the Zeiss.
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#3105157 - 06/16/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: boatanchor]
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Easy choice for me between the two....Conquest.

I agree with boatanchor.
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#3105190 - 06/16/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: BobinNH]
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is the Zeiss erector system still made in Germany?
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#3105195 - 06/16/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: jimmyp]
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I also have both scopes and like the Conquest better.

Coop

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#3107465 - 06/17/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: cooperfan]
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I havent owned an AV but I have owned a PH and a few schmidt & benders and while those were great, the conquest hangs with them for 1000 less so i would take it over an AV. I believe the conquest to be more durable bbut have no proof
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#3108284 - 06/17/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: SAKO75]
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I think we get to much into unneeded quality to put the cross hair on an animals shoulder and pull the trigger..I have some high dollar European scopes but I find them too heavy, the coating finish too slick, and I do fine with a Leupold for all hunting purposes, and I hunt a heck of a lot more than most and always have..

I do look for the kind of quality that you describe in my binoculars...

BTW I have a Swaroski 1.5x6x42 30MM as new in box for $1000. That is supposed to be $500 below cost I am told..
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#3108558 - 06/17/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: atkinsonhunting]
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My conquest is easily 50-75 cheaper than a vx3
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#3108606 - 06/17/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: atkinsonhunting]
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Apart from the cost issue, I don't think you can have "too much quality" in a scope, after all you can't hit what you can't see and you need something reliable and robust.

When I started stalking I had some cheap and medium price scopes go faulty and prove generally unreliable, and that prompted me to spend the extra on decent European glass...

I've compared Leupold 6x42mm side by side with a Meopta 7x50 and secondhand Swarovski Nova 6x42mm, and the Nova's optical quality was noticably better. In particular it handled "flare" better when the sun was low on the horizon, and it resolved detail in deep shadows better..

In one test I set the three scopes up on a wall and viewed into the deep shadow at the rear of a garage down the street.

With the Leupold, the shadow was just black, no detail.. with the Meopta, I could see a round shape on the back wall, but not really work out what it was, but with the Nova, I could see it was a coiled hose pipe hanging on the wall. I appreciate that level of optical quality..Now if that had been an animal laying up in deep shadow, it would have only been shootable with the Nova.

Of course no scope is perfect...The Nova was heavier than the Leupold and had shorter eye relief, although it had a much better field of view...

At the end of the day, you pays your money and makes your choice and that choice is usually a compromise of some sort.

I never regreted buying that Nova, although I now regret selling it, which I did several years later..If I lived in the States, I am sure I would own a Leupold or two, but price wise, they are just not such good value for money over here..
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#3108656 - 06/17/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: Pete E]
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Scopes that are too good optically are just like Computers that are too fast and have too much memory........there's no such thing.

A scope can cost too much, weigh too much, be too large etc. but it can't be too good optically, better is better.

Sure you can hunt anything in the world with less expensive scopes and the times when the highest optical quality makes a difference in taking an animal or not are rare............but those times DO exist.........................DJ
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#3109061 - 06/18/09 Re: Swaro AV vs Zeiss Conquest [Re: djpaintless]
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My opnion, Zeiss Conquest are rifle scope best buys by far.

Out of all of the scopes I have ever looked through, I rate the Zeiss..... Second. Behind only the Leupold VX-7

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