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#3130747 - 06/28/09 09:16 PM Sako Vixen Thoughts??
trouthunterdj Offline
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Hello,

I am wondering what the thoughts are on Sako Vixen rifles? I have read Frank DeHaas's review and have heard they were quite accurate. Can anyone give me firwt hand knowledge of th L461 in a 222 or 223? I am wondering about best bullet weights, loads and if anyone has shot 60 grain partitions in a Vixen?

Thanks for the help and information

ddj
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#3130784 - 06/28/09 09:39 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: trouthunterdj]
johnw Offline
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very cool little rifles... mine is a precision shooter so far... still burning up rem factory 50 gr and averaging .5" 5 shot groups... when i have all of my factory stuff shot up i'll load for it, but i'm in no hurry with the way that it shoots the factory stuff....
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#3130796 - 06/28/09 09:51 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: trouthunterdj]
shrapnel Offline
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Registered: 06/04/07
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Loc: Bozeman, MT
Sako Vixens are probably the best production actions available. They don't make the L461 any more and the "Vixen" is a designation that Sako had put on their shortest action made until the newer models after Stoeger started importing them.

The guns themselves are notoriously accurate and extremely well made. I have 2 custom made rifles using the older Riihimaki actions because of the excellence in their manufacture as well.



I have owned and shot several Sako L461's in both standard and deluxe models in .223. Both my sons have Sako .222 Remingtons and they shoot very well. I have another friend that I convinced to buy Sakos, he has 3...a .223 in Lightweight Hunter, a .223 in heavy barrel, and a single shot 6mm PPC. He hardly shoots the heavy barreled .223 or the 6mm as his Lightweight is so accurate.

All that said, I have shot 1000's of 55 grain soft point bullets in the .223 and even more, possibly 10's of thousands of 50 grain Remington PLHP bullets in both .222 and .223 as well as in my 220 Swift with great accuracy and overall reliability.

I have never shot the heavier 60 grain bullets at all, finding the best velocities, accuracy and explosive characteristics with these light bullets.

A Partition is a game bullet and I don't see much use for a .222 or a .223 in hunting game animals. I am sure the .222 and .223 both have been used on antelope/deer sized game with success, but I believe you owe game animals more consideration when hunting them.
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#3130798 - 06/28/09 09:51 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: johnw]
vapodog Offline
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Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1664
Loc: Nebraska
Sako L-461 is among the finest actions ever made.

I had two of them and still have one. It has a Winchester take off barrel (1-14") originally in 22-250 and I carved off the chamber and rechambered it to 223.....slickest little prairie dogging rifle ever.

IMO this little action makes the finest .223 or .222 family that one can get!

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#3130804 - 06/28/09 09:57 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: vapodog]
vapodog Offline
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Registered: 12/04/04
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Loc: Nebraska
Quote:
if anyone has shot 60 grain partitions in a Vixen?

No I haven't.....I've pretty much confined myself to 40-50 grain bullets.

The 60 grain bullets IMO are suited for the 22-250 and 220 Swift. That said....I wouldn't hesitate to shoot deer with a .223 and a 60 grain bullet but doubt my particular 1-14" twist will handle it.

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#3130806 - 06/28/09 09:57 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: trouthunterdj]
HawkI Offline
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Registered: 06/10/07
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Loc: The Hawkeye State
I'd stick to weights under 53, especially in 222. No, I have fired a few and the 60 gr. Parts will not spin worth a hoot in a 1-14, even at 3,400 fps in a 222 Magnum L461.

If going to a hunting bullet, the Barnes TSX 45gr. will work.

40's and 50's of all flavors are loved, as are most powder combos. 222 powders to use are Rl-7, Rl-10x, 4198, Benchmark and a host of others.
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#3131047 - 06/29/09 06:32 AM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: HawkI]
trouthunterdj Offline
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Registered: 04/30/08
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Loc: Northwest Iowa
What is the rate of twist in a Vixen 223? I was under the assumption it was 1 in 12.

Does anyone have any history if this would stabilize 60 grain partitions?

Thanks,

ddj
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#3131642 - 06/29/09 01:00 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: trouthunterdj]
BasicBeer Offline
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Registered: 06/13/09
Posts: 347
Loc: Pacific Northwest, in the Cold...
Those who have a Sako L461 generally just love them, and those who don't have one pester those of us who do unmercifully. I can't take mine to the range without getting at least a half dozen "You interested in selling that?" questions...plus the drool they leave all over it is nasty.

Can't help you with the twist rate question, mine is chambered in .222, 1-14 twist Hart barrel. I only shoot 40-50 grainers in it.

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#3132127 - 06/29/09 05:33 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: BasicBeer]
JohnT Offline
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Registered: 01/16/03
Posts: 727
Loc: Sydney, Australia
I have 2 an L461 in 204Ruger/Short and an A1 in 222 Rem and I'm keeping them! grin Thems my thoughts.

regards,
JohnT

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#3132789 - 06/29/09 11:11 PM Re: Sako Vixen Thoughts?? [Re: JohnT]
mw406 Offline
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Registered: 01/22/09
Posts: 831
Loc: Montana
Same as the rest of the responses here. I have a one in .222 and liked it so much I got another one for my son when he was eleven. It was his first center fire rifle and he learned to become a good shot with it. I load 40 grain V-Max and Ballistic Tips in both. 24 grains of Ramshot Exterminator will get you about 3400 fps and hopefully the sub 1" accuracy we get from ours. I like Ramshot powder because it meters so well and it is not temperature sensitive. If I had to pick the most accurate load for the two Vixens as well as my Remington .222, it would be the same 40 grain bullets over 21 grains of IMR 4198. That load has been around for a long time, with good reason. I don't load it much anymore because you have to weigh every charge with that coarse grained powder. It just takes too much time when loading a couple of hundred rounds. The Ramshot Exterminator glides right through my measure without a hitch.

The Vixens are very well built rifles and in my opinion, a bargain at the prices asked for them on the auction sites.

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