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TCI,

Thank you so much for the details. Is that picture of a 22/21 or a 47? The cocking piece is not like mine.
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BRNO ZG-47 ?


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The one I posted is a 21H. The one you posted is my ZG-47 in 8X64.

Terry

Here is a picture of my 21H 7x64. I used it for an elk hunt last fall.


The RWS 177gr. TIG factory load seemed satisfactory when placed in the lungs of this heavy bull. I was very pleased!


Forgive me for turning this into a rifle discussion not a 7x64 discussion, but here's my question...I'd like to modify my rifle to use a low mounted scope. I have already purchased and installed Leupold QD low rings on the Meopta skeleton mount, by drilling and tapping the bottom of the studs. I have a Dakota mod 70 style safety on hand for it. But I need advice about the bolt handle. I think I'd like it cut off, repositioned, bent and inletted to allow lower scope mount. Or I could just buy a round ball straight shaft handle and install like the picture supplied by TC1. your opinions?

Before you chop up your BRNO bolt handle, have you tried another Mauser 98 bolt to see if it locks up with good headspace? There is a tiny bit of difference in head diameter, but if that works, replace the handle on the $25.00 bolt.

Here is one I had done recently by Mike McCabe . It's a BRNO 21H in 7X57. I had a ZG-47 safety installed and a Half Moon Rifle Shop Obendorf style handle. It'll clear the scope with Talley CZ rings. He also traded out the DST triggers for a Timney sportsman.

Installing the safety turned to be quite a job. I bought it from ForrestB. Lucky for me too. Come to find out the safety cams off the firing pin on a ZG-47 and not the cocking piece like on every other M98 I've ever seen. Forrest was very accomidating and traded firing pins with me after the deal was made.

Every 21H I've ever bought has been butchered on so I don't have any problem having them customized to fit my tastes.

Terry

castnblast,

Nice elk. Good for you.

Lee24 has an idea to put a mauser bolt in there and save the original.

To be frank I like my modified bolt handle a lot. It clears the low mounted Kahles 2-7AH's large eyepiece just fine as modified. The M70 type safety completes the package.

A European named cartridge was not going to take off here, but I think the point was, had it been introduced in 1917 (or anytime before the .270 Win) here and renamed/adopted by an American manufacturer, the .270 Win would probably be in the shoes of the .280 Rem and the Americanized 7x64 would be the dominant American cartridge.

Would the 7x64 and the .270 Winnie have been competitors ?

Yes they would have. The only thing is the 270 was promoted by a very well thought of gun writer so I'm not sure it would have faired to well.

I've always wanted a 7X64. Oneday I may have the BRNO 21h pictured above punched out to one, but I've always had soft spot for the European cartridges. Right now I've got a 9.3X62, 8X64 and 3 7X57's.

Terry

My BRNO 22 with bolt open to compare with the other ones.

The safety on Castnblast's BRNO looks like a Buehler.
The Paul Jaeger safety is very similar, just a little more sweep.

TC1,
What kind of front and rear iron sights are those on your rifle?

I shot a single moose with my 280 and a 140gr bullet. It worked very well.

Just a few 7x64 kills (all from driven hunts) for you all ol' 7mm Brenneke fans.

Those were shot when galopping from 30 to 40 yards away from me. Factory load: RWS Evo, 160 grains (You can't rely on its weight retention properties, it works mostly without exit hole but it seems it works). Rifle is my old Browning European Pirsch (22' barrel).

Hind (265 lbs without its insides)- falled in its tracks and the biggest critter I ever fired at:



I had to eat a piece from its liver and was washed with its insides ...



Little wild boar bull (200 lbs without its insides) - ran about 250 yards away then we heard it falling and render its last breath.



I brought him with me to have beer at my wife's Basket Ball Club



This is the bullet we recovered between two ribs. No bone hitted but the bullet lost 50 % of its mass.



127 lbs sow.



The same day I shot the little bull on the right but the one that butchered it claimed te trophy (we fired at the same time, I'm sure I performed a neck shot but he claimed it was the exit hole from his 270 winnie).

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I'm not a lucky hunter, most of the time the game won't come to my spot but this show a bit of the 7mm's killing power.

What ammunition were you using in your 7x64?

RWS Factory loads: 160 grains EVO bullet.

Thanks for sharing the picture of the remains of the RWS EVO bullet. I really am not impressed by a "high tech bonded" bullet that has just 50% of retained weight and no exit hole even when no bones were hit. If I were you, I would switch to the old fashioned RWS TIG or find someone who can reload your ammo with 175 grain Partitions. In my opinion, especially when you hunt in "battue" you need 2 holes in the animal to give you as much blood as possible to trace the animal.

You're right but I have to admit that except one roe deer I've hitted two times (at wrong places) which had two exit holes, any critter I fired at, during driven hunts, with the Evo didn't need more than one bullet to die.

I'm going to try the Norma Vulkan 170 grains next season but I keep the 7x64 as a "light rifle". If I need more punch, where or when boars and red stags are the main games, I'll take the .375. With that one, I'll have exit holes ...

BTW Welcome to the fire.


Ooops the little boar bull is a 147 lbs critter, not 200 ... Unit conversion mistake, sorry.