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Approx- 3200 for the 130 is 1.8 high at 100 and dead on at 200 with a drop of 6.7 at 300. Or, 2.25 high at 100, 1.93 high at 200, and -3.26 at 300.

Approx- 2750 for the 165 is 2.5 high at 100 and dead on at 200 with a drop of 9.3 at 300. Or, more optimistic figures, 2 high at 100, dead on at 200, and -8.6 at 300.

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Why limit yourself to 2750 with a 165 in '06? You should be able to get at least 2900 without trying too hard. Then you'll have better than a 308. wink


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Winchester Model 70, mfg 1961, 24" barrel (factory).
Hornady 180 grain Interlock Spire Point, (Cat# 3070).
Federal Brass (once fired in another rifle, FL resized).
Winchester Large Rifle Primer - WLR.
Ramshot Hunter ball powder - 58.5 grains.
Beta Master Chrony @ 10 feet, Temperature 75F, 2735fps.
COL 3.274", 7/8" group @ 100 yards.
Data Source: John Barsness article on 24 Hour Campfire (Getting the most out of your .30-06), data cross-checked in Ramshot 4.4 (60.0 MAX).


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61gn rl-22
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For what it's worth I'm getting the same POI and good accuracy at 100 yards with these two loads from my Model 70:

Sierra 150 Pro Hunters with 50 grs. of 4064.
Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips with 52 grs of RL15.

With three 3 shot groups each the 150s are grouping around 3/4" and the 125s less than 1/2". Chronied the Sierras at 2824 and the Noslers at 2860.

Someone here said the Nosler manual could be pretty optimistic on velocity and in this case I agree. According to their #5 manual the above load gets 3136 with a 24" barrel. My barrel's been cut to 22" but that's still a big difference. YMMV.



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Originally Posted by boomtube
SO WITH 13 PAGES and over 120 replies for good .30-06 loads we have given the OP a long list of "good loads", no two are the same. And none of them may do very well in his rifle.

So, is all this help any help? Not much. Desires for using other people's loads as "shortcuts" are futile when finding a good load.


Well said. Not only is it futile, but just the thought of someone jumping at the bit, loading some of my '06 loads in a low numbered 1903 Springfield is downright spooky.

Shortcutting load work up and development of safe, accurate ammo is not only unwise, it's also a recipe for disaster. Do it right. Each rifle "likes" it's own, unique combination of powder, case, primer, bullet, OAL, etc. One size does NOT fit all.

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The .30/06 case is an incinerator. It will burn almost anything well. The case mouth is a diameter that will hold anything in its caliber, never deliver an unusable group, and excel when you mate the bullet bearing surface with the twist.

The only criticsm this cartridge can absorb is its perfect balance to man's ability to shoot it well, deliver good velocities over normal hunting ranges and provide impact with an assured result on 99% of the world's game.

Overall, this is a cartridge that closes the door on legitiamte argument in the ballistic mind game that has no end to it.

If you ever intend to spend premium dollars on a tailored hunting rifle, this chambering will cover coues to Kodiak's.

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I have taken some of the advice here and my best load is 55gr IMR 4350 pushing a 180gr Hornady interlock round nose, Winchester brass and CCI primers. First group at 100 yds was 3/8 and the second was with stong winds and that group was 5/8. Rifle is a Savage 114 euro with a Nikon 3-9x40. I am more than happy with that load, I have to reload all the fired brass to this load and take the rest apart and refill them as well. I hope those groups weren't a fluke

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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
The .30/06 case is an incinerator. It will burn almost anything well. The case mouth is a diameter that will hold anything in its caliber, never deliver an unusable group, and excel when you mate the bullet bearing surface with the twist.

The only criticsm this cartridge can absorb is its perfect balance to man's ability to shoot it well, deliver good velocities over normal hunting ranges and provide impact with an assured result on 99% of the world's game.

Overall, this is a cartridge that closes the door on legitiamte argument in the ballistic mind game that has no end to it.

If you ever intend to spend premium dollars on a tailored hunting rifle, this chambering will cover coues to Kodiak's.

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Well said!


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I just tested some speer 150 spbt's over 52.5 grains of Imr 4064 and got 2890 fps on a 95' day, and 4 of 5 went into 1/2" at 200 yards. Not the fastest round but it's the best group I've ever shot in my '06 at this range. The fifth bullet opened the group up to about 1.25" and there was a little wind. I think the speer 150 boat tail is going to be my new favorite 150gr. bullet. But just about everything shoots well out of my 10 year old Abolt II.

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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
Originally Posted by jryoung
Why do you say Varget? I thought it was a better powder for short actions. How many grains do you use?


Varget is a very good powder in the .30/06 with 130gn bullets. I prefer it over all others I have tried. 58 grains will get you around 3200fps with the 130 TTSX and closer to 3300fps if you swap with the Speer 130gn HP which most .30/06's simply love when mated with VARGET.

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Well I finally got to the range to experiment with Varget. 3,100 with 55.8 and 130gr ttsx. Not sure if I need much more than that, this is my wifes rifle after all.


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55.5 grains of H4350 and a Sierra 180 grain. I can't hunt pretty much anything with that load in my Husky 30-06.

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Originally Posted by Odessa
Winchester Model 70, mfg 1961, 24" barrel (factory).
Hornady 180 grain Interlock Spire Point, (Cat# 3070).
Federal Brass (once fired in another rifle, FL resized).
Winchester Large Rifle Primer - WLR.
Ramshot Hunter ball powder - 58.5 grains.
Beta Master Chrony @ 10 feet, Temperature 75F, 2735fps.
COL 3.274", 7/8" group @ 100 yards.
Data Source: John Barsness article on 24 Hour Campfire (Getting the most out of your .30-06), data cross-checked in Ramshot 4.4 (60.0 MAX).


Well, hard to justify having any more rifles after those results. Just don't tell the Misses!


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Found another one today.

150gr Hornady SP Interlocks
58gr Ramshot Big Game
R-P hulls
WLR primers
3/4" groups

Didn't clock this load as my chrony still has a bullet hole in it.


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Feel your pain on the chronograph. My wife put two, count 'em, two consecutive shots through mine. I told her I believe the first one was a DRT.


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150 Speer Mag Tip, CCI 200, IMR 4350 @59 grains
165 Speer SPBT, CCI 200, IMR 4350 @58 grains
180 Nosler BT, CCI200, IMR 4350 @55 grians
180 Speer Grand Slam, CCI 200, IMR 4064 @ 50grains*

* This load hit the same POI as a Barnes 150 XLC load I used which made for a nice transition between the two. Didn't list the 150 XLC load as they don't exist anymore.

All these loads were MOA or better in my rifle which is a Ruger #1 RSI with a 20" barrel. Most if not all are max or approaching max so use caution. I did not record velocity as I don't have a chrony but end results on game showed them to be fast enough wink


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One more I stole from someone else; 62.5 gr H4831sc 200 gr Nosler Partition CCI 200.


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Originally Posted by brinky72
One more I stole from someone else; 62.5 gr H4831sc 200 gr Nosler Partition CCI 200.


I chronographed that same load in my Featherweight .30/06 and it does 2560fps which is a lot less than others have stated. By contrast, when I load 57gn of H 414, I get 2733fps with easy extraction and good accuracy.

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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
Originally Posted by brinky72
One more I stole from someone else; 62.5 gr H4831sc 200 gr Nosler Partition CCI 200.


I chronographed that same load in my Featherweight .30/06 and it does 2560fps which is a lot less than others have stated. By contrast, when I load 57gn of H 414, I get 2733fps with easy extraction and good accuracy.

JW


Is that load over listed max or compressed? Just curious as I'm thinking of getting some H414.


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