Posted this one before. It used to look really worn out. Bluing going and stock finish about gone. Had it redone by a guy who knows how. Many have asked to buy thinking it was original.
I agree with your choice in calibers, as I have 3 of these rifles now in 30-06, 270 and 257 Roberts. The picture is of the 30-06 and 270. The 270 was made in 1949, the 30-06 in 1950. The 257 Roberts which I'll have to get a picture later, was made in 1953.
They are all low comb original guns with lots of condition. I have them to shoot game and collect as well. I am working on a mint 22 hornet that I will end up getting sometime in the future.
I have found that collecting these rifles is cheaper than the Winchesters I have been collecting...
Great rifle and great Hat! I am into my second Packer now! My first one, extremely "aged" is now of my eldest son. Many people wanted to buy it from him!
Some nice pre-64 Winchesters on display. I am down to two, a standard .30-06 SPRG and a featherweight .270 WCF (barrel is a Douglas). I am negotiating with a friend to re-acquire a very nice 1953 mfg .308 WIN FW (hope I can pull that off - another rifle I should have never traded away).
The .270 WCF. This was the first rifle I ever re-barreled. I had a great time and I learned an awful lot from both the machinist and the gunsmith that I hired to walk me through the process. This is my best shooting big game rifle.
This standard .30-06 SPRG, made in 1961, is the first pre-64 I ever purchased (15 years ago), wish it had been my father's, uncle's or grandfather's rifle, but it will have to build a family legacy as I pass it down.
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Quick question. What type rear sight is correct for a 1951 Standard Model 70, in 270 Win? I've heard both the flip down type as well as the ladder elevated type. Anyone got an extra? Thanks, g
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Thanks Tom, It is a factory issue FW stock (the rifle was mfg in mid 1963). It has the narrow checkering, plastic butt plate, and monte carlo cheek. It has some nice grain in the butt.
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1961 30-06 Featherweight in a McMillan Hunters Edge. My first Pre-64. Once you go through the action it's readily apparent why the Pre-64 M70 is prized.
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Some nice rifles here...somehow, whether they are stocked in wood or glass, pre 64's just never seem to turn out "bad".
Even the old ones with dated optics look ready for business,as if they had "been there and done it" before,many times.
And if I had traveled a long way to hunt something,and my rifle was somehow out of commission,and I got handed a pre 64 M70 to use, I would trust it.I can't say that about many other rifles I have any experience with.
Some very nice rifles..This is my .270 Win Super Grade.
Jayco
Awesome! I have a 1950s Super Grade in .270 too. Mine's in nearly new condition, but I'm tempted to scope and shoot it.
I have a pre-war standard grade in .30-06 that came with one of those nice old-style peep sights. Can't bear the thought of removing it to put a scope on, it works so well the way it is.
Here's one in 270 Win. Everyone should have a Pre-64 model 70 in 270 along with a Mauser 98 in 7X57 and a Springfield in 30-06.
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A friend had a 257 Roberts on Consignment a few months ago, if you are interested I could find out if he still has it. The price was $2000 I believe so I bought the 30-06 he had instead.
My 1961 FW .30-06 in a McMillan Hunting stock done by Rick Bin. I've also recently acquired a 1951 .257 Roberts that has been in AK for it's entire life and shows the wear and use, but is going to be a fun rifle for me (don't have good pictures of that one yet)
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I'm enjoying all the pics. 1961 '06 Fwt. with the buck I took in the Hill Country last fall. I also have a '57 270 standard rifle and a '61 Fwt in 270 I traded for last December. plan to use the 270 Fwt for most of my deer hunting. http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/colthbar/DSC00478.jpg
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Here are my last two a Custom Shop 338: 338 (I linked it because I'm not bright enough to make it smaller!) and below (in the back) my pre war in 300 H&H:
jorge
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These are my favourites. The top rifle is a 1959 fwt 30-06 that Greydog spruced up a bit. The bottom rifle is also a 1959 rifle, a fwt 270. I like 'em.
Edited to add: Whitebird, welcome and thanks for sharing the photos. Beautiful rifles.
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Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
Thanks 284. Thats what I was looking for. How do you like your Monte Carlo Mickey. Dont see many on them around, as everyone seems to prefer the compact, or supergrade. Does the Monte get you on scope well with low rings?
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This one goes 7lb 12oz with a Leupold 6x42 and a Mickey standard fill. No sling or bullets. The edge will save I'm guessing another 8oz or so and would make a great package.
I got ripped off on the original stock when I bought this one. It had been buggered big time. If any have an original wood stock for a FWT in the serial no. range of 232xxx they are willing to part with or one they know about, I would appreciate a heads up.
Whitebird: Outstanding collection! Roger Rule should have had you in his book jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
I have a long way to go to get to that level. I learn something new every time I read it. However the first rifle shown in the photos is a Pre War .30-06 in the box that is pictured on page 60 of Rogers book at the top of the page. The rifle was made around August of 1938. It has an atypical King rear sight. It is kind of special to own a rifle shown in his book.
I have a long way to go to get to that level. I learn something new every time I read it. However the first rifle shown in the photos is a Pre War .30-06 in the box that is pictured on page 60 of Rogers book at the top of the page. The rifle was made around August of 1938. It has an atypical King rear sight. It is kind of special to own a rifle shown in his book.
I have a like new early 1950's Super Grade that I had the original box for. Kept the gun in the safe, and the box in the shed. Unfortunately the box rotted to pieces (This is Florida, after all). Too lazy to take it out and take a picture, but I have this picture on file. Not a complete shot, but it's all I have on file at the moment. Maybe I'll take it out and take a more complete picture of it. I have the swivels, too, but they are off in this shot.
I have built dozens of pre 64 custom rifles for myself and everyone of the sold..I still have my old 300 H&H with custom stock that I built many years ago..
I can't post pictures but I would be ashamed to show it in that it has only a tiny trace of blue left, the stock more resembles exhibition drift wood, but it has seen the 4 corners of the globe and it still shoots 1/2 groups with about any load and all to the same POI..It has certainly layed in the salt its share of about everything from Rockchucks to Cape Buffalo. I bought it in 1950 and I stocked it in 1955. I paid $76.64 for it new, that was wholesale as I recall?
It has the honor of never being sold and thats sumpt'in for this ole gun whore...:)
There is no shame in a well used rifle in my book, only honor and respect. There are a good number of well used 70's that could provide stories worth every bit as much as a perfect 70 in the box. I am sure yours is just like that.
Here is a picture of my Great Grandfathers 1894 .25-35, purchased in Cottonwood ID. in 1904. This rifle is still hanging on the original door header and nails from their homestead cabin built in High Range Basin in Hells Canyon in 1900. An unknown number of deer, elk, bear, and other critters ended up dead due to this serial killer of a rifle. If I had a dollar for every mile this rifle has traveled across the Snake, Salmon, Selway, and Clearwater river country I would be a very wealthy man.
One small indication of the care that went into their making was something as simple as the barrel markings. Look at the closeup of the markings on the 7x57. Nothing compares to the sharpness of the lettering on anything made today. They were all like that. That had nothing to do with their excellent mechanical qualities, but just an example of the overall quality of the finished rifle.
1961 30-06 Featherweight in a McMillan Hunters Edge. My first Pre-64. Once you go through the action it's readily apparent why the Pre-64 M70 is prized.
Brad, is that scope a FX3 6x42. And are they low Talley mounts?
Reason I ask is, I'm trying to match a Leupold VX3 series to my 64(338) so I wondering whether the VX3 2.5-8x36 has enough front tube space & eye-relief to gel with a 14" LOP Edge stock. Maybe I should go the 3.5-10x40 option. Would anyone know if the 2.5-8x36 would gel with either Leupold QR's or Talley U/L's?
With a 14" LOP you are probably going to have to get EXT Talleys to slide the scope back for eye relief. Might want to consider a 1.75-6 Leupy, I run one on a 13 7/8" M70 and have plenty of eye relief.
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340:I suspect the 2.5-8 will work with the Talleys,but QR's might be tight.My rifle is just like Brad's and the 2.5-8 works on standard Leupold's with rear extension.
340, I've got talleys on my rifle, and went with the extended front base because I was going with a VXIII 2.5-8. I've since replaced it with a FXII 6x36 and as you can see from that picture, don't really need the extended base for that scope. LOP on my McMillan is 13.5".
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340, I've got talleys on my rifle, and went with the extended front base because I was going with a VXIII 2.5-8. I've since replaced it with a FXII 6x36 and as you can see from that picture, don't really need the extended base for that scope. LOP on my McMillan is 13.5".
I didn't know Talley do a 'extended front base' in their ultralight alloy mounts. Do you have a code for this?
Ok, I'm home alone so I can finally line the old boys up. My kids may not have much of a college fund but they will have a pre 64 M70 or two. L-R. 3-.270 fwts, 4- 30'06 fwts, 30'06 edge, 280AI rimrock and lastly a 9.3x62 rimrock. thanks for all your pictures folks!
Yes it is a bansner finished in a Rustoleum textured paint and black webbing. The metal is finished in Dura Coat. The rifle actually looks better than the pics show. I'll try to get some better ones in the day light tomorrow. Karry
Ok, I'm home alone so I can finally line the old boys up. My kids may not have much of a college fund but they will have a pre 64 M70 or two. L-R. 3-.270 fwts, 4- 30'06 fwts, 30'06 edge, 280AI rimrock and lastly a 9.3x62 rimrock. thanks for all your pictures folks!
Thanks Bob, i like that stock so much i'm considering ordering one for my 35 Whelen. There not that hard to finish and i had a blast finishing out the FWT. Karry
I can't believe no one has put up a .458 African yet!! There's got to be on out there somewhere!! That's one I've never owned,always "not for sale or just sold"....
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340, I've got talleys on my rifle, and went with the extended front base because I was going with a VXIII 2.5-8. I've since replaced it with a FXII 6x36 and as you can see from that picture, don't really need the extended base for that scope. LOP on my McMillan is 13.5".
I didn't know Talley do a 'extended front base' in their ultralight alloy mounts. Do you have a code for this?
Thanks again
It's not the lightweight - they're the steel bases with QR rings...
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.” ALDO LEOPOLD
This is a pic of my fathers '51 mod 70. When I moved to Georgia a few months ago he told me to take it with me so I guess it is mine now. The rifle hadn't been shot is prolly 30 years and these were some targets I shot all same day. Not bad for $15 Federal Powershok!!!
I've shown this one a time or two, but never get tired of it. It's a '57 vintage .300 H&H wearing a period Weaver KV 2.75-5x variable. My father-in-law received it as a high school graduation gift and gave it to me a few years ago.
I've shown this one a time or two, but never get tired of it. It's a '57 vintage .300 H&H wearing a period Weaver KV 2.75-5x variable. My father-in-law received it as a high school graduation gift and gave it to me a few years ago.
It doesn't get any better than that...nice rifle.
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
I've shown this one a time or two, but never get tired of it. It's a '57 vintage .300 H&H wearing a period Weaver KV 2.75-5x variable. My father-in-law received it as a high school graduation gift and gave it to me a few years ago.
I know this is an old thread but I figure it deserves a bump to the top for viewing by new members. And surely some members have acquired some pre-64's over the last few years that they'd like to show off!!
Here's mine
Custom 257Wby originally owned by Safariman here on the 'fire.
Custom 240Wby
All original 220 Swift in excellent condition.
The 257 is the first custom rifle I ever purchased and killed a deer with. The 220 is the first 22cf that I ever killed a deer with. I've never killed a deer with a 6mm of any flavor but I plan to change that with the 240 this fall!
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OOPS, I may have told ya wrong, the 270 is a standard rifle that got the original stock ran over by the previous owners son's pick-up, seems junior leaned it against the rear tire and drove over it.
Happily Dad had a very nice English walnut stock made for it.
Many Thanks for posting the pics of a few of my all-time favorite hunting rifles Ken.
Lots of eye candy on this thread, but I would like to ask an honest question as I'm a hunter and not a collector. Does a decelerator recoil pad effect the collector price, if so by how much?
Is it fun shooting a .270 or 30-06 with a steel butt plate?
Good questions StrayDog. Adding a pachmayr recoil pad will greatly effect the collector value of a pre 64 model 70. Just how much of a reduction in value depends on the model. To answer your next question honestly. NO, it is not fun shooting a 270 or 30-06 with a steel butt plate off the bench, but you won't notice it when you are hunting. Seeing how you are a "hunter", you should be fine with a steel butt plate rifle . I'm also a hunter, but I do a lot of shooting from the bench so a pachmayr makes damn good sense. Especially on a standard rifle like a 270 or 30-06.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Beautiful rifle buddy!! How do you like the montecarlo pattern swirly? Is it pretty slick feeling? Some guys say they like the texture painted stocks better because they offer more grip, especially in adverse conditions. I've been contemplating a swirly for my 375.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Is it fun shooting a .270 or 30-06 with a steel butt plate?
In my experience, shooting a 30-06 with a steel butt plate off the bench was worse than shooting a 375 H&H Magnum with a 1" recoil pad. You probably wouldn't notice it while hunting but for target practice I agree with BSA and prefer a recoil pad.
Lots of eye candy on this thread, but I would like to ask an honest question as I'm a hunter and not a collector. Does a decelerator recoil pad effect the collector price, if so by how much?
Is it fun shooting a .270 or 30-06 with a steel butt plate?
As BSA stated, yes it will kill the gun, 270's and '06's dont recoil hard to me, they do however recoil fast, some may mistake quickness as painful.
Beautiful rifle buddy!! How do you like the montecarlo pattern swirly? Is it pretty slick feeling? Some guys say they like the texture painted stocks better because they offer more grip, especially in adverse conditions. I've been contemplating a swirly for my 375.
I love it. Just like your favorite Pre-64 and made to order. The checkering has excellent grip and nice feel. Paint sucks, get a swirl and you'll understand why. For sure I'll get another at some point. It's one of my favorite hunting patterns.
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Here's the Featherweight .30-06. Paid it off today!
It has an ol' Redfield 4x with either a 1/4 or 1/2 minute dot.
Elkhunter, that rifle will do it all. Just be careful because it will start kicking others out of the safe. Especially if it shoots like mine. Nice looking rifle there. You should put a McMillan on your other 30-06 fwt....
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Beautiful rifle buddy!! How do you like the montecarlo pattern swirly? Is it pretty slick feeling? Some guys say they like the texture painted stocks better because they offer more grip, especially in adverse conditions. I've been contemplating a swirly for my 375.
I love it. Just like your favorite Pre-64 and made to order. The checkering has excellent grip and nice feel. Paint sucks, get a swirl and you'll understand why. For sure I'll get another at some point. It's one of my favorite hunting patterns.
Thanks for the feedback on the swirly. I'll take the plunge when I get some money saved up. I really like the old pre 64 montecarlo pattern as well.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Here's the Featherweight .30-06. Paid it off today!
It has an ol' Redfield 4x with either a 1/4 or 1/2 minute dot.
Elkhunter, that rifle will do it all. Just be careful because it will start kicking others out of the safe. Especially if it shoots like mine. Nice looking rifle there. You should put a McMillan on your other 30-06 fwt....
BSA,going to take it out tomorrow and find out. Trying a 150 gr first,then maybe going to a 180 gr later.
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Here's the Featherweight .30-06. Paid it off today!
It has an ol' Redfield 4x with either a 1/4 or 1/2 minute dot.
Elkhunter, that rifle will do it all. Just be careful because it will start kicking others out of the safe. Especially if it shoots like mine. Nice looking rifle there. You should put a McMillan on your other 30-06 fwt....
BSA,going to take it out tomorrow and find out. Trying a 150 gr first,then maybe going to a 180 gr later.
My pre 64 model 70 30-06's love the 165's and 180's. I haven't tried lighter or heavier in them, but I'm sure they would like 200's and 220's as well as the light TSX's...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Have 180 gr NP's,Swift Scirocco,Sierra. 200 gr NP's and Swift A-Frame. 220 gr Hornady & NP's. The 150 gr is Rem PSPCL,Swift Scirocco,Sierra and Hornady. Tried the 165 gr NP a long time ago in my Sporter M 70 .30-06 and it shoot ok. Going to try the 150's and maybe the 180's now cause,as you can see,I have plenty.
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