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In college, I was fascinated with the AAR, but I guess I gravitated to short actions and away from wildcats, but the AAR is a good round. Seafire on the board uses a 6.5x57. Likely not too far off. Another round of consideration for a long action might be the 6.5x55 AI, may be one also known as the BJ Arch? Anyway, Lapua brass formed out might be a nice round. It is said to hover near 6.5-284 territory......for those in need of a little boost.
I have been content for what I use my 6.5's for, but flatter trajectory never really hurt too many (though it seems someone I read using a 7x57, maybe Boddington, overshot a mule deer when underestimating his rifles trajectory).
I can imagine the faster 6.5s can take alot of guess work out in the field at unknown ranges when LRF is not available. Terrain where hunted can determine ranges that opportunities present.
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I got an email back from Ruger today that the sporter weight SS 6.5 Creedmoor that was originally announced is not available. I wonder if that means ever, or yet??
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spr1, maybe never, the round is not seemingly taking off from what I can tell, just not much noise level out there. They had a 338 Federal Ruger #1A sporter at the SHOT show in 2007, and the wholesalers had it listed.....it never appeared. Low demand I imagine scrapped plans, perhaps that will happen with the sporter Creed.
There may yet be few rifles mfg. in Creed, the Heavy Bbls..
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Ruger has a propensity of announcing new chamberings and then just never following up.
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I've always have been interested in the 6.5's, and try to keep up with them. It is my impression that Hornady designed this round to work with VLD "overlong" bullets ,and feed through the .308 AR 10 platform. For a bolt gun and a hunting cartridge there is no reason that the 260 with it's readilly available brass, headspace gauges, etc. is not a better bet. Am I not correct?
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You're probably right but I think Ruger only chambers the 260 in the compact rifle with a 16 1/2" barrel. I would think this would hurt this cartridge quite a bit. I think Remington is chambering a limited edition 700 with a longer barrel in 260 this year though.
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Unfortunately the industry is turning its back on the 260, '09 SHOT SHOW noise had it the 260 is dead/on the way out.....not for lack of merit. I see the 338 Federal falling on it's nose also. I think industry quickly runs from a new idea if sales aren't booming. Cut losses and stop marketing the new idea and move on. Shame.
Thanks goodness for custom guns and reloading.
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Guys,
The 6.5 Creedmoor is basically identical to the .260 Remington. The .260 has a very tiny bit more case capacity, but the net result is analogous to the difference we see between "thick" or "thin" brass in 260/308, or a "fast" or "slow" barrel, or being able to seat a bullet out another 0.10" because of throat length. In short, they are ballistically identical. I see more variation .260 rifle to .260 rifle than I saw from the 6.5 CM barrel on the T2K to the .260 barrel on my AI.
With the Creedmoor, you can buy factory ammo from Hornady but also only get brass from them. In .260, there are a lot more brass choices.
It's not true that I dumped the 6.5x47 for the 6.5 CM. I had the opportunity to test both. In the end, I kept the .260 Rem AI-AW set up and got rid of the 6.5x47 and 6.5 CM barrels.
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Welcome Zak, my bad, thought you found a preference to the CM. Mis-read/understood past reports.
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No problem.
People often assume new is better (ie 6.5 CM) or that there are big differences. 6.5x47, .260, 6.5 CM are all very close. The 6.5x47 is down a little on velocity. The other two have logistical/availability tradeoffs. There's nothing wrong with .260 other than Remington's lack of marketing and their factory brass is variable. But those two aspects are pretty much irrelevant to our use, since we don't need marketing and we can use other much better brass.
best Zak
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I use Lapua .243 brass, necked up to .261+/- .001, for my 260AI. This in an XP-100R with a 14.5" bbl. and a Rem. 700 MTN. rifle with a 22" bbl. has performed very well on thin skinned animals at some long distances. Remington has only one offering in its' '09 catalog. Too bad due to the fact that Remington cooperated with Jim Carmichael to develope this cartridge. It is with great hope that Ruger does indeed follow suit and come out with the 6.5 Creedmore for us 6.5 enthusiats. The popularity of the .260, .260AI and the 6.5-284 has been with long range target participants. I have used my 6.5 platform to harvest many an antelope, whitetail deer and a couple of mulies. None have complained about not being dead enuf.
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