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I can't see what all the hoo-haa is about...there is about 10 gr of H2O difference between the cases...that's about 2.5% difference in velocity or 70-100 fs if both cases are loaded to the same pressure using the same bullet weight. Not enought to waste all this time or space over whizzing in the wind.

I can't see hardly any difference in the case other than the x62 is longer.

I build a 9.3x62 a few years ago, I wanted a 9.3 cal to fill out my caliber range...I also looked at the 9.3x57, but opted for the x62 because I could buy ammo and cases for it...I also have rifles in 338 through 50 cal.

Both cases were designed for use in different rifles at different times and for different reasons, none of which had anything to do with the others.

Enjoy which ever one you happen to have and forget all the comparison BS...all it does is make you "think" you might have something "better" and keep the weenywaving going on.

You want to rave about your shooter...go out and shoot something, then tell everyone how well it did and forget about comparing it to some other cartridge.

There are just so many other factors involved in taking game that cartridge selection takes up about 10% of the whole.

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Originally Posted by NFG
I can't see what all the hoo-haa is about...there is about 10 gr of H2O difference between the cases...that's about 2.5% difference in velocity or 70-100 fs if both cases are loaded to the same pressure using the same bullet weight. Not enought to waste all this time or space over whizzing in the wind.

I can't see hardly any difference in the case other than the x62 is longer.


Interesting...I own a 9.3x57, and had a 9.3x62 for a couple of years. Both are 24" barrels, and I shot them side by side over my chronograph. All I can say is that the x62 ran 300 to 400 fps faster than the x57, depending on the load.

I don't disagree that most of the differences aren't relevant, until you get up to larger or dangerous animals. Then I think a 286 gr bullet at 2400-2500 fps would make a difference vs one at 2000 fps.

AS far as the "hoo-haa" concept -- well of course we do... grin. That's half of what participating in a forum is all about...

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Ok so I picked up a Husky LR'98 in 9.3x57 and can't find a lot of load data. Steelhead pointed me toward the Norma site, but does anyone have anything else?

I'm looking to use the 270 gr Speer for deer... nice rhyme there... they were meant to be together smile .

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I'll PM you some of my data this weekend.

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Originally Posted by efw
Ok so I picked up a Husky LR'98 in 9.3x57 and can't find a lot of load data. Steelhead pointed me toward the Norma site, but does anyone have anything else?

I'm looking to use the 270 gr Speer for deer... nice rhyme there... they were meant to be together smile .

You can find more free data here, from Vihtavuori/Lapua for their powders, of course (and very fine powders they are too).

Be aware that that 270gr Speer has a bad reputation for core separation and fragmentation with little penetration here in Sweden where 9.3's are common.

However, this bad reputation is the result of using said bullet on moose, not deer. I expect that the bullet is too soft for moose, but will kill a deer quite quickly. I think you will be happy with it!

I do not know if you can get them or how expensive they would be where you live, but a fine 9.3 bullet is the Norma Oryx (a bonded bullet). They exit on a moose about half the time, and the 12 or 14 bullets that I have recovered from butchering moose all looked like something you would expect in an advert. Impressive accuracy too!

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See no data there.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
See no data there.

Well, I see it at the right hand side "download" but I sure agree that it is not obvious!

Right click here to save the pdf file to your hard disk. (I hope!). smile

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You're not following me, there's no 9.3x57 data, none on the online HTML stuff nor in that PDF.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
You're not following me, there's no 9.3x57 data, none on the online HTML stuff nor in that PDF.

Ah, my apologies. I could have sworn that I got 9.3 x 57 data from there 2 or 3 years ago when teaching a friend how to reload for his older Husqvarna.

Maybe they dropped the 9.3 x 57 data? I will see if I saved the old pdf manual on my hard disk in my other computer.

Chances are, however, that I am mixing things up! smile

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Thank you very much for your help JPB; I appreciated your assistance, particularly given your experience with the bore diameter.

I'd seen where another person with experience said that of the Speer 270 when flung from the larger x62; I was hoping that perhaps the -400 fps through the x57 might help on that?

I'll do some penetration tests with 'em... that is half the fun of a new rifle/caliber!

I'm looking for data using our domestic powders if possible. Hoping somebody stateside w/ experience might have insight.

Thanks again,

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Originally Posted by efw

I'd seen where another person with experience said that of the Speer 270 when flung from the larger x62; I was hoping that perhaps the -400 fps through the x57 might help on that?

efw

Good point! Now that I think about it, I would say that most of the shots I mention were indeed 9.3 x 62s (I know one guy in my hunting team uses a 9.3x57 and he killed 5 or 6 moose in recent years that I can recall, but I think the others have 9.3x62s.

I think you are right about a little less velocity being kinder to the bullets. I would bet that the 9.3 x 57 will be just fine with any bullet of reasonable sectional density for even quite large critters.

On the topic of reloading data: I checked my other computer's hard disk, and found no copy of an older Vihtavuori reloading manual (which might have had 9.3 x 57 data). frown

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Just want to clear up one little misconception that appeared on this thread: The 9.3x62 was NOT designed to fit into a .30-06 length magazine, but an 8x57 length magazine. That was it's whole purpose, to provide a relatively powerful yet inexpensive rifle that could be built on the standard 98 sction for German settlers in Africa. You will find that any factory 9.3x62 ammo (even Nosler's) will fit in a standard 8x57 98 action.

That said, if I were only hunting non-dangerous game in North America I'd leave a good 9.3x57 alone. The 9.3x57 is so close to the relatively mild 9.3x62 factory loads that there is no practical difference. Only when the 9.3x62 is loaded up to 60,000+ psi does it become the functional equivalent of the .338 Winchester or .375 H&H, and darn few of us really need one of those.


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