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I was speaking more in general terms.
Look. Obama wants to bring ObamaCare. That's... scary.
Bush, I mean Cheney, brought us the Patriot Act and the DHS. THAT'S even scarier! I'm supposed to ignore that?
LOOK WHAT 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GAVE US! THEY SUCKED! IT WAS TIME TO FLUSH THE LYING SOB's!
(deep breath)
My point isn't that Obama isn't a turd; he probably is.
My point is that for all intents and purposes, things would play out similarly with either guy in charge. They were BOTH turds. Details might be different, but as viewed from space, as they say... same damn thing.
EXCEPT, Mr. VAnimrod, in ways that your Nimrodia thread has shown that we agree! With Republicans in charge, with Sarah frikkin' Palin a step away from being POTUS, we get more attempts to mix religion and government. We get more "adventurous" militarism. We get MORE hammering on the social conservative issues that you and I agree on!
I chose the guy more likely to NOT hammer those issues anymore. So he's trying to fix our FUBAR health system. Big whoop. I'll take that over a Repub ticket that was going to pretend teenagers don't screw, and put God back in the schools, etc.
And FINALLY. I'm gonna barf if you make us pretend that the Republicans are somehow less big spenders than the Dems. That's BS. Starting with Reagan, we got massive deficits due largly to military spending. I'm sick of that. And again, you and I agree- the military should be smaller, and more defensive in nature. That will NEVER happen with any of today's Republicans. Never!
I'll take a good-hearted attempt to fix the health care system over spending the same damn money on missile defense... or another bullshit invasion...
I agree Jeff for the most part except for the health care. The government FUBAR the health care system there is no way in hell they can fix up that which they FU. It's become clear to me that the federal government is FUBAR and anarchy is the only way to go from here on out.
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It's become clear to me that the federal government is FUBAR and anarchy is the only way to go from here on out. Oh man. I guess I gave you too much credit.
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BTW: You made go back and look at Ellis's new book that I've been talking about, Ellis does have quotes of Madison and notes. I wasn't reading it like a text book with hi-lighter so I missed the quotation marks. Ok, then, let's have those quotes. Forget it, it's too much like work and I have more important things to do. Buy the book Hawk you need it for your law library. 
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You only say that because you agree with yourself about what the legitimate functions of government are.
From your point of view, taxing the productive to pay for the health care of the unproductive is extortion and enslavement.
From my point of view, taxing anybody to pay the salaries of all those God-forsaken slimy weasels in Washington is extortion and enslavement.
From Jeff_O's point of view, taxing people to pay for "faith-based initiatives" is extortion and enslavement.
Whatever you decree to be the "legitimate functions of government," somebody somewhere is going to disagree with you and have an argument about why he's right and you're wrong. The downfall of your argument is that the US Constitution clearly defines the legitimate functions of the US Government, along with a short list of enumerated powers with which to pursue them. I'm sorry, were you under the impression that I was making a Constitutional argument? I must have been unclear. I'm talking about any tax, laid by any State, whether or not various random people judge it to comport with various other random people's opinions and interpretations of funny faded black marks on a random piece of paper somewhere. Morality is absolute, not subjective.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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It's become clear to me that the federal government is FUBAR and anarchy is the only way to go from here on out. Oh man. I guess I gave you too much credit. Too much credit for what? I've tried the national government thingy now I'm ready to try something else. I could live with my state becoming a republic, good bye wolves, hello mining, timbering, ranching, farming, etc. Baring that anarchy right now sounds interesting. I could form a coven of like minded people.
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I wish Obama all the luck in the world, and he's gonna need it. Things are FUBAR. All the nervous Nellies out there fearing some kind of socialist takeover... take a chill pill... there's NO MONEY. This will be a crisis-mode presidency. And Obama is much better suited intellectually and by his calm nature to make some decent rational decisions, than John McCain EVER was
That's my call. If I'm wrong, I'll accept that. For now I'm holding out hope that I'm not.. Look. Obama wants to bring ObamaCare. That's... scary. Time to admit you were wrong.....
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It's become clear to me that the federal government is FUBAR and anarchy is the only way to go from here on out. Oh man. I guess I gave you too much credit. Too much credit for what? I've tried the national government thingy now I'm ready to try something else. I could live with my state becoming a republic, good bye wolves, hello mining, timbering, ranching, farming, etc. Baring that anarchy right now sounds interesting. I could form a coven of like minded people. A COVEN?? Are you a warlock?
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I was speaking more in general terms.
Look. Obama wants to bring ObamaCare. That's... scary.
Bush, I mean Cheney, brought us the Patriot Act and the DHS. THAT'S even scarier! I'm supposed to ignore that?
LOOK WHAT 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GAVE US! THEY SUCKED! IT WAS TIME TO FLUSH THE LYING SOB's!
(deep breath)
My point isn't that Obama isn't a turd; he probably is.
My point is that for all intents and purposes, things would play out similarly with either guy in charge. They were BOTH turds. Details might be different, but as viewed from space, as they say... same damn thing.
EXCEPT, Mr. VAnimrod, in ways that your Nimrodia thread has shown that we agree! With Republicans in charge, with Sarah frikkin' Palin a step away from being POTUS, we get more attempts to mix religion and government. We get more "adventurous" militarism. We get MORE hammering on the social conservative issues that you and I agree on!
I chose the guy more likely to NOT hammer those issues anymore. So he's trying to fix our FUBAR health system. Big whoop. I'll take that over a Repub ticket that was going to pretend teenagers don't screw, and put God back in the schools, etc.
And FINALLY. I'm gonna barf if you make us pretend that the Republicans are somehow less big spenders than the Dems. That's BS. Starting with Reagan, we got massive deficits due largly to military spending. I'm sick of that. And again, you and I agree- the military should be smaller, and more defensive in nature. That will NEVER happen with any of today's Republicans. Never!
I'll take a good-hearted attempt to fix the health care system over spending the same damn money on missile defense... or another bullshit invasion...
Emotional, and irrational. You're proving that you'll never vote for anything except a (D) party candidate; deriding Reagan whilst championing Hussein. Good luck with that............. You're worried about Palin, who actually had executive branch experience being a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, and admit that you backed a turd and a socialist for that office in the first place. Illogical. You can't come to terms with your own decisions in this matter, when they obviously to you (finally) were poor, yet, continue to try to blame someone else. Typical leftist, left-coast, liberal BS. You can grow out of that, if you choose to. Might be a good option............... BTW - never did I agree that the military should be smaller. Reread that, you obviously missed much. Gotta wonder why a strong military makes you so hysterical, though........... BTW - [bleep] the health care give-away BS. Cover yourself and your family, and get the hell out of my wallet and AWAY FROM MY KID with your socialist BS. Clear things up any?
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Gotta wonder why a strong military makes you so hysterical, though........... Well, as for me, it doesn't make me hysterical, but it concerns me because the only possible use for a military with the capacity of our own is to dominate and police the entire globe. For one tenth the expenditure, we could perfectly well secure our nation from invasion, and our commercial shipping from molestation.
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Gotta wonder why a strong military makes you so hysterical, though........... Well, as for me, it doesn't make me hysterical, but it concerns me because the only possible use for a military with the capacity of our own is to dominate and police the entire globe. For one tenth the expenditure, we could perfectly well secure our nation from invasion, and our commercial shipping from molestation. If that's all it took, then that's all it would take. If it took more, then it'd take more. Besides, explain to me how having nearly every able bodied person in the nation receive 4 years worth of military training and discipline, be issued their weapons FOR LIFE, and likely serve in a "ready reserve" capacity based out of their home towns would be a BAD thing from a defensive standpoint, against all enemies foreign and domestic.
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If that's all it took, then that's all it would take. If it took more, then it'd take more.
Besides, explain to me how having nearly every able bodied person in the nation receive 4 years worth of military training and discipline, be issued their weapons FOR LIFE, and likely serve in a "ready reserve" capacity based out of their home towns would be a BAD thing from a defensive standpoint, against all enemies foreign and domestic. No, it would not be a bad thing from a defensive standpoint at all. It would be a very good thing from that standpoint. It's just not our tradition. Our tradition is an all volunteer army because we hold the idea of personal liberty in very high regard. Despots like Abe Lincoln, excluded.
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We're not talking U.S. tradition, remember?
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We're not talking U.S. tradition, remember? True, so I guess a Swiss model would be fine.
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Try a hybrid approach. Expand your mind, Grasshopper............................ 
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LOOK WHAT 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GAVE US! THEY SUCKED! IT WAS TIME TO FLUSH THE LYING SOB's!
(deep breath)
My point isn't that Obama isn't a turd; he probably is.
My point is that for all intents and purposes, things would play out similarly with either guy in charge. They were BOTH turds. Details might be different, but as viewed from space, as they say... same damn thing.
EXCEPT, Mr. VAnimrod, in ways that your Nimrodia thread has shown that we agree! With Republicans in charge, with Sarah frikkin' Palin a step away from being POTUS, we get more attempts to mix religion and government. We get more "adventurous" militarism. We get MORE hammering on the social conservative issues that you and I agree on!
I chose the guy more likely to NOT hammer those issues anymore. So he's trying to fix our FUBAR health system. Big whoop. I'll take that over a Repub ticket that was going to pretend teenagers don't screw, and put God back in the schools, etc.
And FINALLY. I'm gonna barf if you make us pretend that the Republicans are somehow less big spenders than the Dems. That's BS. Starting with Reagan, we got massive deficits due largly to military spending. I'm sick of that. And again, you and I agree- the military should be smaller, and more defensive in nature. That will NEVER happen with any of today's Republicans. Never!
I'll take a good-hearted attempt to fix the health care system over spending the same damn money on missile defense... or another bullshit invasion...
I don't buy the good natured part, but considering there is absolutely zero chance of ever getting anyone who is even remotely a Constitutionalist of any party in to the presidency (or most any other office for that matter) then Obama/Biden being in does do a few things. Back in the mid to late 90's I used to really enjoy listening to republican shills sound almost like old school libertarians with lots of references to the foundations of the country. That was a lot more entertaining than listening to them between 20 January 2001 and November 2006 when they breathlessly stated how it wasn't the 1770's any more and the Constitution was flexible and open to change. I figure if Obama gets it in 2012 and if Biden or another (D) can get it in 2016, then the (R) shills will likely be running around in tricornes (if not the rest of the Revolutionary War Era dress) and should be on every street corner belting out 21st century renditions of The War Inevitable...that of course they don't really mean.
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VA,
The Republicans had an 8-year run in the drivers seat. How did they do? What exactly (be specific) happened that I am supposed to think rated giving them 4 more years? 'Cause it sure as [bleep] isn't hard to come up with what they did WRONG.
If the Republican Party had done any kind of decent job, they'd have won in a landslide. They didn't. They lost. This is how these things work. Now someone else gets to try and do something. HE'LL probably suck too, in which case he'll lose. And so it goes.
The CENTER will hold.
Reality, Patriotism,Trump: you can only pick two
FÜCK PUTIN!
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Did I ever say they were right? Nope. Did I defend them. Nope. Am I a registered (R) (or (D))? Nope.
But, if you voted for Hussein Obama, you voted for gun control and against the 2nd Amendment.
Facts, are facts.
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The Dem's want nothing to do with the gun issue. They've got their hands full dealing with the messes that Cheney... damn it, BUSH, left behind.
There will be smoke (to placate the base), but no fire.
Take the gun issue away and the choice between the two candidates wasn't even hard.
Sorry pal.
The CENTER will hold.
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FÜCK PUTIN!
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The Dem's want nothing to do with the gun issue. They've got their hands full dealing with the messes that Cheney... damn it, BUSH, left behind.
There will be smoke (to placate the base), but no fire.
Take the gun issue away and the choice between the two candidates wasn't even hard.
Sorry pal.
You're right, the choice wasn't hard, and you still [bleep] it up. Anything was and would still be better than Hussein. SCOTUS, what? IRS-run health care, what? This schit is just far to difficult for you to fathom, obviously.
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Take the gun issue away and the choice between the two candidates wasn't even hard.
Elaborate.
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