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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
So, no comment on soft Turkish, rotting red oak and the rest?

Isn't it time for your meds? You do realize that anyone can Google something like Beretta for a buzzword, post it and sit back and watch you make an ass of yourself by going to the EXACT same page and claiming to consult on that very topic, don't you?

It has gone beyond humor and even well beyond pathetic...
art still laughing, but feeling a little guilty

I know what you mean about feeling a little guilty at laughing at Lee24, Art!

Showing Lee24 up feels like... well, I dunno! Perhaps like picking on the kid in the class who has Down's Syndrom must feel like -- you win the argument, but you would surely feel a little dirty!

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I skimmed some of the comments, and some Sitka thought he had "caught" me on what I said about trading red oak and yellow pine for maple and cherry. I guess he knows so little about woods and furniture that he thinks they are using oak for gun stocks, or he just doesn't bother to read before shooting off his keyboard.

Agains, Sitka, I make furniture, too, as well as fine paneling for my house. And I designed a line of woodworking CNC machines used for building fine yachts and pianos. That is how I come to work with lots of woods. You should maybe go to the International Woodworking Show in Atlanta; you might enjoy it, and learn something.

Actually, I do have a Yugo SKS with an oak stock, and another SKS with a mahogany stock, which is much lighter in weight.

On average, both Red Oak and White Oak are harder on the Janka scale than Turkish Walnut, but so-called Turkish Walnut mostly does not come from Turkey, so its figure, grain, hardness and other factors of quality vary widely. Woodworkers like it because it is easier to work by hand.

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RDFinn, to correct you - I never claimed to work for FN. I have been in their factory more than once. And Matt Williams never corrected me - you simply don't know enough to tell that.

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I just stumbled onto this thread,

Did I understand properly? Did Lee24 just claim he invented just-in-time manufacturing AND robotics?

Wonder if he also consulted with Al Gore when HE invented the internet.


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Originally Posted by TexasRick
I just stumbled onto this thread,

Did I understand properly? Did Lee24 just claim he invented just-in-time manufacturing AND robotics?



yeah, pretty much. oh, and ship building too. and pianos.



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No, I didn't claim to invent JIT manufacturing, but I have been applying it since 1981 as a manufacturing consultant to a wide variety of industries.

I have designed and developed, as part of a team, a wide variety of CNC machines for wood, aluminum and composites, from one to 4 tool heads, and 3 to 6 axes.

A yacht is a boat. A ship is not a boat. Now you learned something new.

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Back to the original poster, who was being told that American Black Walnut is unfit for gunstocks.... this is patently untrue.

Black Walnut can be highly desirable for furniture and gunstocks. It is harder than European walnuts (including so-called "Turkish" walnut), and it is about 8% stronger in other measurements, like shear strength, elasticity, and rupture strength.

You can confirm this by consulting the data published by the United States Dept. of Agriculture, Forest Products Laboratory.

Last year, I posted a some photos of a rifle I had recently built, in my own Black Walnut. It is a takedown Mauser in 6.5x55mm, if you care to search for it.

There is a lot more to grading walnut than just the figure, but that is all the amateur can see.

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Originally Posted by Lee24
RDFinn, to correct you - I never claimed to work for FN. I have been in their factory more than once. And Matt Williams never corrected me - you simply don't know enough to tell that.


lee24, you're slippery and hard to keep on task, but as i've said & asked before:
that's nice, but as i asked before: you gonna shoot or what?

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Are you doing any Palma match shooting right now?
Maybe I could come shoot against you. Start a thread and post the schedule.


how 'bout the arizona state palma champ's - december 4-6, 2009, give you time to practice... (me too, as i haven't shot in awhile). but the question remains: which team were you on?? details.


a simple yes or no will suffice, remember however you made the original offer to shoot against me, i'm just trying to facilitate your request.

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But of course you are denying that you worked for FN because Matt Williams called you out on yet another lie. I asked you directly if you worked for FN back when folks were asking about the new mod 70 when it was about to be released. I asked you how you knew about the new mod 70 and it's pending release and you stated that you worked for FN as a consultant and that you also worked for "various other firearms manufacturers" as well. You stated that you had taken pictures inside the FN plant and that you had them on your PC and needed permission to post them. Turns out the picture you posted was pirated from a newspaper article that you had nothing to do with. I don't know who you think you are trying to impress with your life failures and fantasies but I can assure you it isn't me.

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"On average, both Red Oak and White Oak are harder on the Janka scale than Turkish Walnut, but so-called Turkish Walnut mostly does not come from Turkey, so its figure, grain, hardness and other factors of quality vary widely. Woodworkers like it because it is easier to work by hand."

Please explain how this could be true. In your answer include exactly how the Janka test is run and what it actually tests.

Please explain how pore size affects the test and compare and contrast the three woods and their inherent pore size differences.

Also, please enlighten further on the soft Turkish and how much fun it is to work by hand...

Also, please explain how Turkish walnut can come from somewhere else and still be Turkish... My Turkish stash was hand-picked from stacks in Turkey, so I have a fair guess at its source.

That ringing sound when rapped with a knuckle... the one that lasts and lasts and lasts gives most people a pretty fair idea of its hardness...


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Lee
"On average, both Red Oak and White Oak are harder on the Janka scale than Turkish Walnut, but so-called Turkish Walnut mostly does not come from Turkey, so its figure, grain, hardness and other factors of quality vary widely. Woodworkers like it because it is easier to work by hand."

Please explain how this could be true. In your answer include exactly how the Janka test is run and what it actually tests.

Please explain how pore size affects the test and compare and contrast the three woods and their inherent pore size differences.

Also, please enlighten further on the soft Turkish and how much fun it is to work by hand...

Also, please explain how Turkish walnut can come from somewhere else and still be Turkish... My Turkish stash was hand-picked from stacks in Turkey, so I have a fair guess at its source.

That ringing sound when rapped with a knuckle... the one that lasts and lasts and lasts gives most people a pretty fair idea of its hardness...


Art, do you have any idea how long it will take to Google all that info?


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especially with dial-up!



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10-1 odds say he answers that it would be benieth him to try and explain it to such simpletons as ourselves.....


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especially with dial-up!


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Now the trolls flip 180 degrees from claiming I know nothing, to admitting my information is correct, but,..but... I must have Googled it all.

LOL!
I actually typed it all. That's why you can't Google it up anywhere.

Next time, don't post about subjects that are someone else's career work, and you won't show yourselves as idiots.

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Think I will skip the beer and popcorn and go straight to some Irish whiskey from Nebraska, or some TN whiskey from CO or maybe some Scotch from AK... because they are all harder than the stuff they claim to make at their namesake locations.
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Next time, don't post about subjects that are someone else's career work, and you won't show yourselves as idiots


spoken by someone who tried to school me in how to run a newspaper and on libel laws......[bleep] dumbass wont take your own advise....


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No flippydoo at all... You know nothing... not even enough to Google it right! You are so full of feces your eyes must be brown...


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Originally Posted by Lee24
Now the trolls flip 180 degrees from claiming I know nothing, to claiming I must have Googled it all.

LOL!
I actually typed it all. That's why you can't Google it up anywhere.

Next time, don't post about subjects that are someone else's career work, and you won't show yourselves as idiots.


but are ya gonna come shoot???

Originally Posted by wmeek
that's nice, but are you gonna shoot???

supply the info and i'll have a program sent to you

Originally Posted by wmeek
Originally Posted by Lee24
Are you doing any Palma match shooting right now?
Maybe I could come shoot against you. Start a thread and post the schedule.


how 'bout the arizona state palma champ's - december 4-6, 2009, give you time to practice... (me too, as i haven't shot in awhile). but the question remains: which team were you on?? details.

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