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#3395680 - 10/17/09 08:29 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: castandblast]
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Originally Posted By: castandblast
Yep, AND I enrolled in a Latin cours this trimester!

grin


Why the hell not- your English (spelling) isn't all that good.... smile
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#3395682 - 10/17/09 08:31 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: las]
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Did you get a dictionary? wink
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#3395686 - 10/17/09 08:33 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: las]
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Originally Posted By: las
I ain't backing down..... his science was good- you just had to filter out the BS. I about laughed myself to a pants filling when he started talking about the various "cultures" of wolf packs.

Sure, they can sing - but they don't record.... nor paint, draw, write, architect, etc.

Feral isn't her real name, so she's a coward to boot....


Sorry friend, filtering is not supposed to be required of scientific writing. If something does not stand up to scrutiny or logic it is not supposed to be there...
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#3395829 - 10/17/09 10:34 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: Sitka deer]
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So you take all "science" pubs. at face value? Asprin prevents heart attacks/no it doesn't- it's bad for you. The Adkins diet is the greatest thing since the club - no it isn't, Humans are the greatest cause of global warming - they are largely insignificant....I could go on and on. How often do we hear such and such, only to find out later a "new study" refutes what we've been force-fed for a decade or three...

Color me sceptical - I filter. No, it isn't "supposed" to be necessary- but it is... big business, politics, grants, and funding as it is....

Follow the money/bias- and take the appropriate off-set. There is still often "nuggets" to be had. Either gold or poop..... smile
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#3395880 - 10/17/09 11:50 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: las]
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Quote:
Originally Posted By: castandblast
Yep, AND I enrolled in a Latin cours this trimester


So you're pregnant too?
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#3395928 - 10/18/09 03:25 AM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: stevelyn]
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Filtering/interpretation in your reading and filtering in your writing are very different things.

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#3396453 - 10/18/09 08:41 AM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: las]
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las
If he was a friend let me know and I will back off...

Science requires findings support statements, every one of them. Theories require support for the ideas presented and show a logical progression to a conclusion. His writings fail every test. He made assertions from thin air based on emotion.
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#3396525 - 10/18/09 09:12 AM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: Sitka deer]
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Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
las
If he was a friend let me know and I will back off...

Science requires findings support statements, every one of them. Theories require support for the ideas presented and show a logical progression to a conclusion. His writings fail every test. He made assertions from thin air based on emotion.art


And that, my friends, is the textbook description of a garden variety tree-hugging pervert.


Edited by SPH300wsm (10/18/09 09:13 AM)

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#3397749 - 10/18/09 05:32 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: Sitka deer]
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The accepted "Scientific Method" starts with a hypothesis that is tested to either validate it or reject it. Now I have never read anything from Haber, but I have from other "scientists" that have an agenda backed by money. Oddly enough the hypothesis is validated by the "testing" that is in concert with the goals of a particular group.
Do you think for a minute that Haber would have been on the payroll if his "science" didn't fit with what Friends of Animals believed? Clever scientists can alter data to fit a hypothesis. This is what many pro man made global warming "scientists" do. That, by the way, is entirely contrary to the true "Scientific Methodology".


Edited by bigwhoop (10/18/09 05:33 PM)
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#3398285 - 10/18/09 08:25 PM Re: Gordon Haber on Missing Plane [Re: Sitka deer]
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Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
Did you get a dictionary? wink


Na _ I got spelchker. When you use those 4-bit words, I just ask someone smarter than me - they're everywhere!.... smile

Never met Haber but once, decades ago - just read some of his stuff. Knowing where he was coming from - long before he found a like-minded sponsor in FOA - I could take the basic, honest science stuff from what wasn't. T'wasn't hard to differentiate between the two.

WTF- 2 or 3 times a year I party with my neighbor John Toppenberg (Alaska Wildlife Alliance - Joslin's outfit). So far, no guns have been drawn.... Good thing too, cuz he's likely a whole lot better at it...


Edited by las (10/18/09 08:26 PM)
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