Have to admit I am not a real muzzle loader lover, but got this pro hunter...seem to be getting about 3" groups with several different sabots as well 285 and 300 gr. power belts. We have used pydodex pellets, triple 7 loose, and black powder. 3" is it @ 100yds. Nice leupie 6X mounted. Ok for plugging a deer, but.....?