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#3402487 - 10/20/09 What's the best western state to live in?
yotewhisperer Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
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Loc: Bradenton, FL
As an outdoorsman, excluding Alaska, what western state would you most like to live in? And Why?

Here are my primary interests: Hunting- all types of big game and predators, Fishing- mostly trout, steelhead and salmon via flyrod or regular rod and reel, Hiking, Camping. In that order. Take into account season lengths, regulations, license costs, draw-odds, pressure, driving distance to other good states to hunt and fish.

Also, since I'm wondering the best place to live, consider weather, population (I want to be away from people but within driving distance to some of life's conveniences), economy (tough one I know), raising a family, cost of living, freedoms (such as 2nd amendment).

Your interests or circumstances will, I'm sure, vary from my own, but if you could live in any state, what would it be?

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#3402501 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: yotewhisperer]
UtahLefty Offline
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everyone will say "live in my state" (if they like you) grin


think about living in easy driving distance to multiple locales.

I routinely put in for / hunt in 5-6 states, all within a 6 hour drive of my home. (I can drive to NW Montana or the Mexican border in a day).

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#3402576 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: UtahLefty]
BMT Offline
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A place with good hunting has no economy.

Name your poison.

BMT
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#3402722 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: BMT]
700LH Offline
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Registered: 03/06/07
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Loc: Gem State
Idaho sux, you dont wanna be here. Bad huntin, bad fshin, cold and windy........

If fishing was primary I would pick Western Wa.

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#3402729 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: 700LH]
Jim in Idaho Offline
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Registered: 01/29/01
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Brother, you got that right. No one in his right mind would live in Idaho.

I'm thinking of moving back to California.












(Okay, really, I didn't come here from California. That was a joke. Really, put down the rope, it was just a joke...)
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#3402737 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: BMT]
Jim in Idaho Offline
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Loc: Idaho, USA
Originally Posted By: BMT
A place with good hunting has no economy.

Name your poison.

BMT


And there's the crux. I took a 45% pay cut to move to Idaho after searching for 12 years for something here in my field.

To be honest, it was worth every penny I didn't make.
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#3402756 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: yotewhisperer]
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, excluding Alaska,

I'm out!

See sig line.
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#3402768 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Jim in Idaho]
yotewhisperer Offline
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Loc: Bradenton, FL
I hate to tell you guys but Idaho might be at the top of my list. My pay here in MI, or at least the amount of work I have, has been cut to 1/10 what it was so I don't care to make a fortune, but I am into eating every day.

UtahLefty, along your train of thought, I was thinking northern Utah or Idaho (Boise area) is kind of in the middle of a lot of cool states. I just wonder if there are huge benefits to being a resident of a certain one.

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#3402772 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: yotewhisperer]
UtahLefty Offline
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Northern Utah is prettier than Southern ID. wink

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#3402779 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: yotewhisperer]
yotewhisperer Offline
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Loc: Bradenton, FL
ironbender, I have been wanting to go to Alaska for some time, I just think my wife could not handle it. She found out about the darkness in winter, not to mention the temps and length of winter, coupled with the distance away from family, I will have to settle for the next best state, hence the question.

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#3402780 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: UtahLefty]
Jim in Idaho Offline
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NE Utah around Logan is definitely prettier than Southwestern Idaho unless you really like sage brush.

Plus, in Utah they give you two wives... laugh



Okay, tongue firmly out of cheek. Boise has decent economic opportunity but our two main employers, Micron and Hewlett Packard, are just as affected by the economy as every one else, so for right now jobs are scarce. Since a lot of the jobs here were building houses for newcomers the building trades are really hurting. It's still a great city (shhh, please don't tell anyone) but with the growth spurt those that knew it even 15 years ago think it sucks now.

Yeah, 6 years ago I added to the overcrowding with my own self. But I had to move here when the little town where I used to live (Fruitland on the Oregon border) ran out of jobs for computer guys. And I went through three jobs over there with all three companies moving away or going belly up. See BMT's statment again.
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#3402796 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Jim in Idaho]
700LH Offline
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Registered: 03/06/07
Posts: 10865
Loc: Gem State
One bonus in Utah is you can go salt water fishin.

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#3402800 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Jim in Idaho]
340boy Offline
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Registered: 10/11/06
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Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Jim in Idaho


Plus, in Utah they give you two wives... laugh


I thought that in Southern Utah you get like, 4-5 wives??
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#3402820 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: 340boy]
rattler Offline
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Loc: NE Montana
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She found out about the darkness in winter, not to mention the temps and length of winter, coupled with the distance away from family, I will have to settle for the next best state, hence the question.


stay out of Montana then....in all reality pretty much all of Montana in the winter is colder than southeast Alaska....but its a dry cold grin think Steelhead said he only saw a handful of days below zero while in Alaska....we will have that before December 1st....but as i said its a dry cold and contrary to what ppl from warmer climates think you can work up a sweat shoveling snow in -30 grin
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#3402840 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Jim in Idaho]
denton Online   content
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Registered: 06/28/04
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Loc: Utah
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Plus, in Utah they give you two wives... laugh


They don't give them to you. You have to recruit them yourself.

I live in Utah, and like it a lot. The climate is pretty comfortable, and the local economy is good. But the hunting is actually not that great. There are just too many people who want big game tags. OTH, it's easy to commute from here to places that have the outdoor stuff you like. (Great trout fishing on the Snake River, 3 hours; pronghorn hunting in Wyoming, about 2-3 hours; Yellowstone Park, 4 hours)

You might check out the north end of Cache Valley here in Utah, north of Logan. It's quite a pretty spot, and Idaho is only a few miles away. It's closer to all the things listed above.

I'd second the idea of looking at the Boise Idaho area. You're very close to good opportunities in three states. The climate isn't quite as nice is central Utah, but still very good. The local college has a dang good football team, and that's fun to watch.

Another good location is around Rexburg Idaho. That's the east end of the Snake River Valley. It's a pretty spot, with close access to the Yellowstone and Teton areas. Rexburg itself has a very decent climate, but colder than Boise, with a tendency toward wind. If you go east from there, you're gaining elevation rapidly, and the winters become more harsh. It's a college town, and that brings a lot of good things with it.

Also take a look at the Richland Washington area. I've done some work there. It's a growing area, with lots of outdoor opportunities.
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#3402926 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: UtahLefty]
Dudejcb Offline
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Registered: 07/16/09
Posts: 35
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: UtahLefty
Northern Utah is prettier than Southern ID. wink
The problem with Utah is that it's Utah, and that's tha same problem with most of Idaho outside of Boise. MMMMMMMMMormmmmmmans. As a rule they are very nice (on the surface), and also very clickish (prefer their Ward and Stake pals) and very little fun to be around. (they don't even know they are a mysogenistic cult!)

and never take a Mormon fishing. If your gonna take one, then always take two.
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#3402937 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Dudejcb]
mudhen Offline
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Not here!
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#3402944 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: mudhen]
Aileinduinn Offline
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Registered: 05/12/09
Posts: 1713
Loc: Coulee Region WI
Idaho...no question. Been toying with moving somewhere around Mountain Home for a while. Gonna do it while I am young and agile so I can enjoy it.
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#3402957 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Aileinduinn]
340boy Offline
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Registered: 10/11/06
Posts: 19463
Loc: Idaho
Idaho is still good (I have been here 30 years) but the hunting opportunities aren't what they once were(especially for us elk hunters) due in part to the wolf problems.
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#3402990 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: UtahLefty]
djs Offline
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Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 17976
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: UtahLefty
Northern Utah is prettier than Southern ID. wink


Southern Idaho is just sagebrush, rocks and desert! Now, if you get up to Stanley, you are into beautiful country!

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#3402998 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: djs]
340boy Offline
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Registered: 10/11/06
Posts: 19463
Loc: Idaho
Yup.
Twin Falls is kinda ugly, but we are close to some nice country, Stanley being one such spot.
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#3403072 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: 340boy]
TBaker5390 Offline
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Posts: 4359
Loc: Bailey, CO
Got Land in Montana...that is where I will be when economics don't need to come into play...but for now Colorado will be home soon.
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#3403100 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Dudejcb]
Idaho_Shooter Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 8821
Loc: West Treasure Valley, Idaho
Originally Posted By: Dudejcb
Originally Posted By: UtahLefty
Northern Utah is prettier than Southern ID. wink
The problem with Utah is that it's Utah, and that's tha same problem with most of Idaho outside of Boise. MMMMMMMMMormmmmmmans. As a rule they are very nice (on the surface), and also very clickish (prefer their Ward and Stake pals) and very little fun to be around. (they don't even know they are a mysogenistic cult!)

and never take a Mormon fishing. If your gonna take one, then always take two.


That is a bit uncalled for. And from my experience entirely untrue.

No, I am not a member. But I know a lot of Morman's quite well. As a group they are a lot nicer to be around than most groups.

As to Western living, I admit I am a bit prejudiced toward Id after 53 years. But some of it is justified. Our big game tags are still sold over the counter. Tags are much more accessible than Or or Wa.

We can not buy two deer tags any more, and general season for deer no longer occurs during the rut in most places, but concessions must be made for the exponential population growth in the Boise valley over the last twenty or thirty years.

It is really not a bad place to live as long as you can stay outside a 50 mile perimeter to the west and south of Boise. It almost still feels like Idaho outside that perimeter.

We have a huge allotment of easily accessible public lands. Big game, small game, bird, and predator hunting abounds on the public lands. Water fowl enthusiasts do pretty well on the Snake River corridor.

Housing is easy to purchase. The subdivisions are full of short sales and repossessions just looking for new owners.

Jobs are a little hard to come by right now in the
Boise Valley and competition is stiff for the jobs which are available. But it is a pretty decent place to retire to.

Oh, and gun laws. CCw permits are fairly easy to acquire. Open carry is legal in Id. Id and Or are class III friendly. Wa is not. Id has no gun permits or registration, no waiting period, and I think the federally mandated instant check is still free in Id.
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#3403158 - 10/20/09 Re: What's the best western state to live in? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
700LH Offline
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Registered: 03/06/07
Posts: 10865
Loc: Gem State
NO, NO, NO! Idaho sux!!!!
Listen to the Montana thread going right now.
Montana is where's it's at, or Utah, or Or. or Wa. or Co. or Wy.
Gosh anywhere but Idaho!

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