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Blaine: Mighty fine shooting there except it looks like you missed 90% of the time.
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Blaine, 1/11 twist is still very versatile in 30 cal.
It was a head-scratcher for me when I discovered even my 1/12 twisted 308 can manage 208s at 2480 fps. Everyone pretty much assumed it wouldn't work. I had to see for myself. My results were sub-moa accuracy at 1120 yards from the ground with a bipod, and a Rem VS factory pipe. Who'da thunk it.
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Years back I bought a 308 in BDL/SS/DBM, and wondered why Rem built VSSFs in 12t, for 168s, yet put a 10, in the sporter I had, as if how many hunters would one might guess would use heavier than 168s? Never fired the gun, had thought I would use the actionf for a build, but plans changed.
Besides raw accuracy, ability to shoot higher BC bullets, my thoughts for a big game rifle was that all else equal, wouldn't a faster twist bbl lend itself to keeping the nose forward in a bullet that expands in a controlled manner? If so, one might get better odds for straight line penetration into/thru vitals, which I speculated may have explained why the 6.5's built such a reputation. If you had the bare minimum twist for accuracy to be optimized, would that bullet not likely want to Yaw on impact?
The military w/FMJs or 'non-expanding' bullets might prefer that for obvious reasons, but a hunter with expanding bullets might not benefit the same.
Back on a comment above on building a 14 twist, seems a few paragraphs on the 22-250 AI using 40 BTs at blistering speeds was touted as a nice set up for prairie dogs by a reputable author in a Nosler manual. Was that Steve Timm, cannot recall w/o looking it up, but I'd bet that bbl was a 14 twist, 12 at best if faster. 'Dogzapper' has done his share of PD hunting I understand.
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I've seen me in person and would be happy to slap some sense into you and give you a shooting lesson.
Mainly because my gracious nature is boundless............. PWC, I've invited you to do some shooting on another thread, and I'll do it here since you bring it up. Let's do it! I bet Blaine would come up and join the fun, too. Let's see what you got. All in good fun.
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Blaine, 1/11 twist is still very versatile in 30 cal.
It was a head-scratcher for me when I discovered even my 1/12 twisted 308 can manage 208s at 2480 fps. Everyone pretty much assumed it wouldn't work. I had to see for myself. My results were sub-moa accuracy at 1120 yards from the ground with a bipod, and a Rem VS factory pipe. Who'da thunk it.
Wow!
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Remmy uses 1/10 in the sporter because they're using the same tube in 30/06.
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Blaine: Mighty fine shooting there except it looks like you missed 90% of the time. Would you care to have stood in front of that target?
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Blaine: Mighty fine shooting there except it looks like you missed 90% of the time. Would you care to have stood in front of that target? Nope. Serpentine, serpentine!
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Blaine, 1/11 twist is still very versatile in 30 cal.
It was a head-scratcher for me when I discovered even my 1/12 twisted 308 can manage 208s at 2480 fps. Everyone pretty much assumed it wouldn't work. I had to see for myself. My results were sub-moa accuracy at 1120 yards from the ground with a bipod, and a Rem VS factory pipe. Who'da thunk it.
Wow! Looked like this. Made a couple wind corrections, and then started ringing it consistently. 40 moa el correction from 100 yd zero.
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Shane, very nice shooting.
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Darn fine shooting there Blaine!
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The only pics I have are of that first club record, though I do have all the other targets in a roll. My second club record is a smaller agg but not as well centered on the target. I do have a couple of 50-3Xs, which were the record at the time for score. If I get a chance I'll take some more pics.
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I just got an FN PBR DBM in 308. After I get through hunting season I may just have to try your 208 grain load. I have only done a little prone shooting and I'd like to do more.
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Blaine,
2 forked horns and a Doe? C'mon...I really didn't expect it to be THAT funny.
I've 30's in 10,11.25 and 12",running the gamut in capacity,if only for starters. I do find it even more hilarious that you endorse a 14" Swift,by extrapolating upper BC's in 30cal as a Trump Card,despite it being spun far more favorably as per the spectrum of bullets available within the bore size?!!?
Very good call to deviate the crux and as an aside go [bleep] yourself(you'll get more puzzy)..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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My 308 VSSF tube just might be the best 30cal tube I've ever had...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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You flatter yourself with thinking I'd slum your company.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Ask for a pic of her Swift too.
Laffin'...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Here ya' go Dreamer,fast twist and upper echelon BC's in .224" conjunction(3-groove 1-8" 75A-Max,to the unitiated). Talk purty and I'll letcha gawk the poke...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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One sweet rifle. Bet it shoots as good as it looks. Hate the fact that stick has once again ruined someone elses thread. Hopefully Rick will again "see the light" and rid us of this pesky little troll. I didnt ask his "blessing" for my rifle blueprint either, so I guess I'm in for same treatment when it arrives. O well... Once again...one heck of a great looking rig. Hope you enjoy warming the barrel every chance you get.
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