NIKON PROSTAFF - 480 CLICKS OF CAN-DO!
 

Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#3417290 - 10/25/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: nsaqam]
DCR48 Offline
Member

Registered: 08/14/08
Posts: 128
Loc: south texas
Really have seen more bows and guns for that matter sold because the owner found out the real speed they were getting.The fast bows are rated at 30" which really helps pick up the speed.

Top
RV 728 BP
CLICK HERE to see the AWESOME NEW SWAROVSKI STR SPOTTER at CAMERA LAND!
#3418077 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: DCR48]
aalf Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 12/02/07
Posts: 7491
Loc: S.W. Wis.
My Deathwish take down recurve, 58# limbs, 510 grain arrow gives me around 180 or so if I pull to 28". Highly unlikely after several hours in the tree stand in mid Nov......

Top
#3418091 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: rob p]
nemesis Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 06/02/08
Posts: 3471
Originally Posted By: rob p
JJHack- all the speed quotes are IBO which is 5 grains per pound. I'd have to unscrew my tips to get that. The absolute lightest target arrows with glue in nib points and peanut vanes would be close. My birth certificate on my Bowtech 101st Airborne gives a speed of 323 fps. With my hunting arrows, which are 390 grains or 6.5 grains per inch, I get 280 fps. My bow with 70 pound limbs gave me 302 fps with 420 grain arrows. You'll never see the posted speeds on the bows unless you are shooting knitting needles! I shot Darton bows for many years and was pleased as punch with 260 fps. Today, I can shoot a bow at 10fps less and get 20 fps more. I am happy enough.



I'm currently shooting a Victory VForce HV3 arrow with 350 spine that weighs 6.4 grains per inch.

My 29" arrows with 2" Blazers and 100 gr. tips total about 336 grains.

Arrow - 29" x 6.4 = 186 grs.
Point - 100
Nock - 14
2" Blazers - 12
Insert - 24
---------
Total 336 grs.

My Elite Synergy set at 58 lbs and a 28" draw chronos about 287 fps. with these arrows.

Also, at 58 lbs., the 336 grain arrow is well above the 5 gr./lb, IBO minimum of 290 grains.

At 287 fps these arrows produce about 61 lbs. of KE while at the same time providing a pretty flat trajectory out to 50 yards.

I'm also getting excellent penetration with the Victory's and have obtained pass thru's on every deer I've shot with them.

As the saying goes........."speed kills" and that is certainly true when it comes to the modern compound bow.

A light draw weight with a fast arrow is my idea of an excellent hunting combination and the faster the bow, the better I like it.

JMHO

Good luck to all this season...........may all your blood trails be pink and frothy. smirk

Top
#3418673 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: nemesis]
one horn Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: Custer,Mi
Mathews drenalin @ 72lbs 29.5" draw with beman ics 300 and a 100 grain tip= 295fps. I got 302fps with cx 400 arrows.
I regularly set up my chrony at the archery range. The looks of dismay are priceless when guys see what their bows are really doing.
_________________________
Politicians and Diapers both need to be changed often, and for the same reason!

Top
#3419200 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: one horn]
George_De_Vries_3rd Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 10936
Loc: Iowa

Not meaning to critizice but isn't "the need for speed" here in bow hunting a kind of missing the point?

Top
#3419686 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
Big_Redhead Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 5950
Loc: Michigan
Never owned a chronograph. Probably never will. Don't need it.

I shot my Darton Lightning through a chronograph at a pro shop once. Draw weight 55 lbs, 29-inch Easton 2312, 75 grain head, 4-inch plastic vanes, 255 fps.

When the Darton Lightning came on the market about 1979, the other manufacturers criticized it's "flat-top" force/draw curve. Today, all the new bows have a flat-top curve and almost no valley to maximize area under the curve. For a dinosaur like me, these new bows take some getting used to.

-
_________________________
Our God reigns.
Harrumph!!!
I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.

Top
#3419906 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: Big_Redhead]
JJHACK Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 7599
Loc: Touchet Wa. & Ellisras South ...
I don't like the draw curve on most new bows. It's a joint wrecking tendon ripping nightmare. I like to shoot a lot, with many of the new dual am bows you simply cannot shoot much without feeling it later.

I guess I have stopped looking for the latest trends and hype with speed and now want something that just works and is fun again. I love shooting, and the more I shoot the greater the confidence is. It's just hard to shoot 70lbs a lot with the dual cam draw curves today.

I'm gonna buy a new bow here before too long. I wanna have a "plan b" if something goes wrong with my legacy. I have this fear something will crap out on my bow the week before a hunt and now what? So a "plan b" is in the works.

What I'm looking for is a softer draw cycle and 250plus... ish ... fps with a 375- 400 grain arrow. Pearson makes a bow called the blackhawk that is suppose to be really great for the smooth easy shooting draw curve, The Switchback may have been one of the all time great draw curve bows. And the Martin Moab is also said to have the most comfortable draw curve available. So I don't know what I'll choose but the hype over velocity is not the direction I wanna go.

With a range finder and an adjustable single pin sight does velocity matter that much? With a 400 grain "spear" and an accurate shot the game is over when shooting under 40 yards anyway. Bow hunting is an intimate event, shooting long range shots it shooting, not "bow hunting" anyway. Better to boast about how well you hunt and how close you get, then how far you can shoot!

I'll take a fun to shoot bow and a rangefinder any day over those brutal double cam bows that shoot flat to mile or so!
_________________________
www.huntingadventures.net

When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)

Top
#3419971 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
rost495 Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 38353
Loc: La Grange, TX
Wow, I'd have never guessed so many shot over a chrono and know all the pertinent data.

I don't know that I"ve ever run over a chrono for a bow. I just pick the right arrow and head for the task, tune and zero and go from there.
_________________________
May the road rise to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, May the sun shine warm upon your face, The rains fall soft upon your fields and, Until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Top
#3420041 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
EZEARL Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 2872
Loc: WV
I don't remember if the Switchback had the same cam as my '96 Conquest Pro(MaxCam) but I do know that,having shot both,they were similar in their drawing/breakover characteristics. Mathews still offers the Conquest using the MaxCam:
http://mathewsinc.com/mathews-bows-11255-44-ViewProduct-1386-324.asp
Being a fingers shooter I opted for 65% let-off as,at least for me,80% let-off was too much. I shoot right at 60#(bow max's out at 63#)w/a 27.5" draw length. With a 361.2gr arrow I chrono 265fps at 56.3 ft.lb. I certainly don't see why at 70# and shooting a 375-400gr arrow you couldn't achieve the speed/energy you want with a Conquest 4. Plus at 5.4-5.8 gr per lb the bow would be quiet. I use no stabilizer and a small puff ball at the cam end of my bow and it is QUIET.
I just thought that since you liked the Switchback so much I'd pass this info along.

Top
#3420119 - 10/26/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
Bighorn Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 06/21/01
Posts: 4902
Loc: Southern Kolorado
Mathews Drenalin, 29", 64#, with 372 gr. Gold Tip Hunter 5575 arrow- 276 fps

Mathews Reezen, 29", 64#, with 415 gr. Beman ICS Hunter 300 arrow- 285 fps
_________________________
I'd rather be a free man in my grave, than living as a puppet or a slave....

Top
#3421777 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
George_De_Vries_3rd Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 10936
Loc: Iowa


You pretty much defined my attitude toward bow hunting also 'though I translated it to traditional archery, a 53 lb recurve which at my draw length goes about 55 lbs. With a 480-gr arrow, as I mentioned, and at 190+fps the game is simplicity itself to 20 yds, almost to 25 yds and very doable to 30 yds.

No pins, cables, extraneous noises, or even range finders. There's no doubt the present day compounds are pretty nifty machines and can be shot accurately much quicker, much further, with the same investment of time than any recurve. If shooting a recurve is like throwing a baseball, shooting a compound is like a pitching machine hurling the same baseball.

While I admire the shots a finely tuned compound with a practiced archer can make, I also admire the simplicity, the geometry, and the warmth of a beautiful recurve. Speed ain't everything.

Top
#3422018 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
JJHACK Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 7599
Loc: Touchet Wa. & Ellisras South ...
I too grew up with recurves and hunted til I was about 25 or so with nothing else.

I had an accident dislocating my Elbow which reduced my ability to shoot my bow. It was suggested that I switch to a compound to reduce the stress to my right elbow/joint. I bought a Martin Warthog and thought I had died and gone to archery heaven. However it soon began taking it's toll on my stretched and screwed up joint.

I again gave up on archery until I met the guys from Mathews in Africa. When the hunt was over one of the guys about my size left me his legacy. It was the first experience I had with a trigger release. I've been shooting this ever since.


Now I long for an easy to draw bow like my oneida osprey. Probably not gonna find one with that exact draw curve but I'm gonna see what's out there.
_________________________
www.huntingadventures.net

When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)

Top
#3422771 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
AFP Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 01/26/01
Posts: 11833
I wondered about this. In my brief foray back into bowhunting three years ago, MY PSE Bruin was rated at around 295 fps. The sub 400 grain arrow went 250 fps with a 28" draw and about 65 lbs draw weight. I guess my bow isn't messed up...........

Top
#3422966 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
George_De_Vries_3rd Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 10936
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: JJHACK
I too grew up with recurves and hunted til I was about 25 or so with nothing else.

I had an accident dislocating my Elbow which reduced my ability to shoot my bow. It was suggested that I switch to a compound to reduce the stress to my right elbow/joint. I bought a Martin Warthog and thought I had died and gone to archery heaven. However it soon began taking it's toll on my stretched and screwed up joint.

I again gave up on archery until I met the guys from Mathews in Africa. When the hunt was over one of the guys about my size left me his legacy. It was the first experience I had with a trigger release. I've been shooting this ever since.


Now I long for an easy to draw bow like my oneida osprey. Probably not gonna find one with that exact draw curve but I'm gonna see what's out there.


I hope you can shoot and enjoy archery for a long time.

Top
#3423279 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
JJHACK Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 7599
Loc: Touchet Wa. & Ellisras South ...
Funny how the elbow works. I can draw the bow with a release and the ligaments that connect on the back of the forearm to joint are not used. However with fingers they are. These connections at the elbow from my fingers/wrist are what get my joint all swollen and make it feel as if it's gonna pop loose again.

I can shoot with fingers for about 2 days in a week, maybe 60-100 shots which puts me right at the point of inflammation and problems. If I shoot 20-30 arrows a day for a day or two a week then it's okay, or if I shoot the Oneida Osprey all I want it's okay. Guess I have not found the limit with the Oneida yet. I shoot fish with it all summer and never have a problem.

When I learned of the trigger releases and shot with them, I found I could shoot all I want and never had a problem. I have gone back to the Martin Bow with fingers and tried again thinking I must be cured and this would be good again. However within a few days, actually within a few dozen shots, I could feel the difference in my elbow and had to stop.

So Archery is good again but I gotta shoot the release or the oneida. Now if only there was a kinder gentler cam design that crossed the span between todays harsh wicked hard double cams and the Oneida lever limb draw curve?
_________________________
www.huntingadventures.net

When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)

Top
#3424003 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
Flinch Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 01/26/01
Posts: 5794
Loc: Utah, U.S.A.
I laugh at the punks on Archery talk that have the newest speed bows, are shooting 28" draw length at 60 lbs. and think they are getting 320 fps. They claim they are the smoothest shooting bows they have ever shot. Well, they have never shot any other bow, so how would they know? Shooting a speed bow for any amount of time down right tiring. I feel it from my toe nails to my hair follicles. I will take a smooth shooting bow ANY day, compared to the new speed bows. When the weather is cold or these punks have been sitting in a blind for a while and mr. big shows up, there is no way in heck they are going to be able to pull their bows. Been there done that. I will take smooth and forgiving. Flinch
_________________________
Flinch Outdoor Gear broadhead extractor. The best device for pulling your head out.

Top
#3424317 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: Flinch]
rost495 Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 38353
Loc: La Grange, TX
I always told folks if you want to know if you shoot to much weight or aggresive cams(vs draw cycle smoothness) then stand facing the target, both legs together with feet touching side by side, like at attention basically, push the bow out in front of you and attempt to draw it.... weeds out lots of problems and yep, BTDT on draw weight, something much different when you have sat and are cool/cold and not stretched. ITs also anotehr reason I try to draw my bow every 30 minutes or so if possible. Or if not stand hunting but chasing elk and the like I'll shoot a blunt tip at something now and then.
_________________________
May the road rise to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, May the sun shine warm upon your face, The rains fall soft upon your fields and, Until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Top
#3424332 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: rost495]
JJHACK Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 7599
Loc: Touchet Wa. & Ellisras South ...
Blunts rock!

I set out at random distance one gallon laundry detergent jugs filled with sand, and one quart plastic oil bottles filled with sand. Then walk off and hit them. Amazing how well blunts fly for me, better then some broadheads.

Hitting these at 30-40 yards plus is entertaining to say the least. The thump they make is also impressive, and seeing a blunt penetrate these one gallon jugs leaves you in awe with the power these arrows must have. There is no doubt that a blunt from a 65lb bow could penetrate a human torso or head!

No wonder broadheads zip through so fast and leave you wondering if it was a miss at times!
_________________________
www.huntingadventures.net

When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)

Top
#3424353 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: Flinch]
one horn Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: Custer,Mi
Parker makes some very smooth bows. A friend shot one for a few years before buying a crossbow.
_________________________
Politicians and Diapers both need to be changed often, and for the same reason!

Top
#3424636 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: one horn]
Big_Redhead Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 5950
Loc: Michigan
JJ,

From all your posts it sounds like you have what you need in the Oneida Osprey and the mechanical release aid. Why do you need anything else?

If you want or need a different bow, you can get a smooth, older, used bow for a lot less money than any new bow. I have an Oneida Aeroforce X80 I bought new in 1996. It is smooth and fast, and the letoff is selectable between 65% and 80% with draw modules. Older bows with the round eccentrics are silky-smooth shooting, and a lot of game was killed with them before folks decided they need 300 fps. Many used bows with a lot of life left in them can be had for $100 or less.

BTW, make sure you read the manual thoroughly before attempting to work on an Oneida bow. They are WAY different than any other bow.

-
_________________________
Our God reigns.
Harrumph!!!
I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.

Top
#3424834 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: Big_Redhead]
rost495 Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 38353
Loc: La Grange, TX
I think I'd like to find the right length onieda for bowfishing... don't see many used ones here though.
_________________________
May the road rise to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, May the sun shine warm upon your face, The rains fall soft upon your fields and, Until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Top
#3424918 - 10/27/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: rost495]
JJHACK Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 7599
Loc: Touchet Wa. & Ellisras South ...
I don't like the oneida for hunting big game. That lower limb snapping forward has banged off of way to much stuff for me to use while spot and stalk hunting, or from a blind. It's the "perfect" bowfishing tool, but not interested in using it for my big game hunting.

I get tired of transporting guns and archery back and forth to RSA every season. Not to mention the huge expense now in additional baggage on the airlines. I wanna leave a bow in RSA and have another here. I am also paranoid that something will crap out on the bow I have here the week before I need it. So a "plan B" bow is in the works for a backup.

I shoot fingers (no glove) with the Ospery, and I must use a Release for a conventional Compound bow. I don't work on bow repair or setup beyond minor stuff.

There are two people who fix watches..... watchmakers and fools. I know my limitations!
_________________________
www.huntingadventures.net

When you hit the pearly gates I want to be there just to see the massive pile of dead 5hit at your feet. ( John Peyton)

Top
#3425841 - 10/28/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
FIREFIGHTRE281 Offline
Member

Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 25
My older bow a Mathews Switchback XT set @ 62 lbs.using a 28" Beeman #400 ICS Hunter with 100gr tip, Blazer vanes clocks 275 FPS consistently through my Chrony. Weighed arrow and it's 420grs. Also have a new Rezen 7.0 shooting same weight, 62 lbs. using 28" Beeman #340 ICS Camo Hunter with 100gr tip, Fusion Vanes approx weight 442 grs and clocked through Chrony @ 274 consistently. Go figure. if you read the IBO rule it has to be a full weight of 70 lbs, 30" arrow/draw and weigh 350 gr's to obtain the advertized speed they claim the bow will do. Do i have this right or did i miss something. Same bow but different guy using 350 gr LiteSpeed arrows 100gr tip , 28" chronyed 305 at the pro shop same day i was testing my bow. Go figure.

Top
#3425932 - 10/28/09 Re: Real Arrow speeds [Re: JJHACK]
rost495 Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 38353
Loc: La Grange, TX
If I were in your shoes with the Africa stuff and all, I'd find a used older bow that worked well for me, then buy 3 of them cheaply. Keep one here, ship two to Africa... much easier to have the backup there, getting parts or such would be easier for the single here.
_________________________
May the road rise to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, May the sun shine warm upon your face, The rains fall soft upon your fields and, Until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Top
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

Moderator:  RickBin, SYSOP 
RV 180 2
CLICK HERE for HUGE SUMMER DAYS SAVINGS on ZEISS OPTICS at CAMERA LAND!
RV 160 1 2
RV 160 2 2
Who's Online
74 registered (7mmMagnum, 79S, 30Gibbs, Akpilot, 444thumper, Alex38, 12 invisible), 425 Guests and 256 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RV 160 3 2
Forum Stats
53,283 Registered Members
72 Forums
687,738 Topics
9,934,432 Posts

Most users ever online: 4,830 @ 12/02/14










Copyright © 2000-2015 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.