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Originally Posted by PaleWhiteCracker
You'll not catch me making mention of 150's in anything .284",but you were lauding 150 Factory loads in your 7Remmie,like they were sumptin'. They ain't.

Is 2-4" of barrel length decrease and adding another round in the belly,a fair trade,when musing a 280AI over a 7Remmie? I'm of the opinion that such things start hedging real world bets rather nicely,as per a utilitarian rifle that is actually shot in the field,as opposed to one speculated upon.

Gimme the Montucky 7WSM...mainly because I shoot 'em all..............


PWC: You're right....they ain't.But they go bang in a pinch.....if I need them,away from home,was my point.

I'm with you on the extra round;situations do pop up.....


I shoot them all,too...range,and when I hunt....I through speculating.....

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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'm so disappointed.... I thought you guys were talking about the 30'06.......
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Tomorrow I'll start a thread on " 30/06 twist......1-10 or 1-11....beer cans or bust...

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'gam,

The "troubles" you cite are squarely commensurate with your "experience" and that'd be an aged trend.

It takes some doing,to pull enough spark plugs on the WSM,to slow it to '06 case capacity velocities. Nawwwwww....it takes more than that.

I doubt you could reliably get the pointed end of a bullet,facing out of the casemouth..................


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This is a good thread. I always thought that the 270 had enough neck that it could be moved up............sort of like a 300 wm or 300 sav..........and that would allow enough additional powder to make it worthwhile!


Guess I was wrong!

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The 270Gibbs is your huckleberry...............


Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Since PWC is the smartest, most experienced person to ever visit the Campfire you need to listen to him. It seems that his experiences are more relevant and valuable than anyone elses.
He must even have ESP too because he knows that I am incompetent and inexperienced even though he doesn't know me from Adams off ox.
I'll trust Mr. Waters and Mr O'Connor. You can have PWC!


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I ain't guessing,therein lies the difference(s).

You can bullshitt the fans,but you can't bullshitt the players...............


Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Like I said PWC has the only relevant experience and since he's a PLAYER then he must be heeded.
With 781 posts in 13 days it looks like he's been playing with the computer more than anything lately!
And that ain't a guess!


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Hardly suprised that my post count intimidates you and drastically ruffles your feathers of insecurity. That anxiety is wellfounded,as is the uncanny connect percentages that I bat...if only because I'm not forced to guess.

I'm much looking forward to you getting your first clue,despite the great odds against same................


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OK


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Sit tight,shut your yap,take notes and you'll learn sumptin'...................


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brooks,
It's not worth AI'ing the 270.

If it was my 270, it would stay just that. I have/had 270's with 20, 22, 23, 24, &26 inch barrels.

I prefer 22-24" barrels. They seem to be the best compromise in handling characteristics for hunting. The longer barreled rifles were for more target type shooting and playing around at the range, just to see what they could do.

PWC,
"Stick around and learn something"..... probably not from you, but please surprise me.


Shot placement relegates all other discussions to secondary importance.

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Stop the .270 improved madness...if you need more from a .277" tube, rechamber for the .270 Wby.

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CRS,

Should you take issue with anything I've mentioned,denote same and I'll open your eyes..................



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PWC please explain how your experiences are more valuable and relevant than Mr. Waters', Mr. O'Connor's or anyone elses experiences.
On second thought, in your megalomaniacal madness you probably think you ARE more important and experienced than Mr. Waters etal.
You just stay here and keep all of us apprised of your uber valuable experiences. Me, I'll be out in the woods putting my experience to work far from any computer.
Have a great day and I look forward to gleening the benefits I can derive from your voluminous postings.


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Just be cool nsaquam, I think that in the 14 days of PWC, that NOBODY CARES. Have a good day.

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Buying 270AI dies could be a deal killer. $110 extra from RCBS.

A .277" groove barrel and a 270AI reamer are priced on par.

257RI and 280RAI dies are ok.

One could make a seater die with the chamber reamer, and size with a Lee Collet 270 Win die. Pitch the brass when it needs a shoulder bump. That would be cheap enough.

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How do people find this stuff do bring it back after 6 weeks? I rarely bother to click on page 2...


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your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Originally Posted by brooksrange
Here's what really got me thinking about the .270 AI that has the possibilities up higher than the 280 or 280AI? I don't know...

Originally Posted by Rodbolt
[quote=RinB] I think the 270AI is interesting though, the new RL-17 powder may get the 270AI into WSM velocity.


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SAEED: Several people used this rifle (270 AI) on several African safaris, bagging well over 100 big game animals, including all the larger plains game such as sable, zebra, kudu and waterbuck. Most were shot using the Barnes X 130-grain bullet, although some were shot with the Trophy Bonded 140 grain Bear Claw. Both bullets performed without a single failure.


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Wmramse- Primos Cabin- The only differences in AIs vs. their standard versions are much less (if any) body taper, longer body and neck, but shorter shoulder set to 40 degrees instead of the typical 17 degrees (for the '06 family). The sharper shoulder angle and less body taper help to burn powder more efficiently, and the overall cartridge design means easier chambering and less bolt thrust. Add in the extra powder and you can get roughly the same ballistics as a .270 WSM.


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Nathanial- 150 TSX's go at 2950 with 59 grains of H4831sc
130 Accubond's at 3210 with 61 grains of H4831sc
Both loads shot over my Oehler.
60 grains of can be got into the case with the 150's but with a fair amount of compressing. 59 grains is the accurate load in my rifle so that is where I keep it.


Originally Posted by colmacivor
...With the new powders I think the 270AI is a real consideration reguardless what might have been the opinion when these new powders were not avail.. Also the 270AI with a 110 sierra at 3500'/sec is a serious coyote getter. My 270 AI has now accounted for a Rocky Mt Bighorn Ram, a Desert Bighorn Ram, quite a few wild hogs, African plains game, a Thar, and a few big muledeer. Would recommend if someone likes to reload and tinker with their hunting rifles..Good hunting John


Lots of praise- and why I ask- would you give a 270AI as an option for a mountain hunting rifle for sheep, goats, mule deer, black bear and some coyotes and wolf?


Not so sure about that. Mind you, lots of people think that the 25-06AI has something to gain over the 25-06 so, with the 270 Win. having a larger bore diameter, it should show even more improvement.

I'd stick to the 270 Winchester.

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