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Both these bullet have similiar design , Swifts are a bit more money. Is one better than the other?

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I have gotten fine results with both. The Swifts tend to retain more weight but expand wider, so overall penetration might go to the AB's, though I haven't tested them side-by-side. (I also tend to think deep penetration is perhaps the most overrated characteristic for most hunting bullets these days anyway.)

The Swift's jacket is pure copper, while the Nosler's is gilding metal, so in some bores (not all) the Swift tends to foul a little more.



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The 180 AB's are really perking in my 300 WSm and I think I'll give them a whirl on elk next year.

Not that I expect less than good results laugh


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Hmm I don't know I predict it'll be more likey in your Middle Sky 06... wink

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I predict they will kill an elk!

I'd like to hear from anybody else who has shot both AB's and Scirocco's as far as accuracy results. I've had my own experiences with both but am interested in other's results.


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Deep penetration was my deal since '92 when I started using the X bullet, recovered very few bullets over the years, most were .358 bullets and mostly on quartering shots on moose where they would be found under the shoulder blade or sometimes just through it. Started using Accubonds this past year, mostly for their ranging ability, high BC, in a 200gr 30 cal and 250gr in a 9.3. The X bullet mostly passes through but does it do maximum damage on its trip through the animal, so I changed to find out. The 9.3 cal/250gr passed through the moose and I did not get a chance with the 3006 this season. I was looking for experiences with both , but for years Swifts in my area were/are uncommon.

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I have posted these previously...anyway, 30 cal. 180 Scirocco 1, 3350mv (300RUM), 450 yard impact on an elk....DRT. Traveled almost the entire length of the bull.


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From what I gather, the II's are better than the I's, so I would guess our resident guru JB is correct....it will deck an elk.

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From what I've seen posted here and elsewhere that looks like a little larger frontal area than what an Accubond would give.

Nice "Schroom!"


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John,

I am currently shooting the Scirocco's (I) in :

1) 150 in a 280 and the 7STW...in the STW I use RL25, over 3350, excellent accuracy. Loaded the 150SS for a pards 7Rem and it also shot very well with RL25. Great velocity and accuracy with that combo.

2) 165 in both a 300Win and 300WSM...both shoot into 1/2" groups...both are also customs. One has a Pederson the other Pac-Nor. I no longer shoot the 300Win load as I switched to the 180 Partition in the Winnie.

The 300WSM however pops them out at 3100 and absolutely loves them.

3) 180SS in my 300RUM....the pics I posted show the results. You should see the groups that thing shoots with the 180's. Pure factory SS Remmie. Only thing I did was toss the tupperware and bed it into an HS Precicion stock and tweak the trigger.

I have shot the ABs in 30cal 200, 180, 165 and 150, all shot great. Have a real good 150AB load for my 300WSM, but as I indicated, the 165SS shoots so well, I just use that. Truth be told, my 300WSM will shoot stones into tiny little clusters......

Back to my 300RUM, I now exclusively shoot the 200AB (Retumbo) out of it. It will hold 1.25" all day long at 300 yards. I am scared to shoot the thing any more than I have to because I don't think I could find a custom BBL that will shoot as well as the factory Remmie tube it wears.

Had a difficult time however getting the 110AB (.257) to shoot out of my 257 ROY (Vanguard Sub-MOA). After much fussing and trips to the range, I coaxed sub 1" out of the 110 using RL25 and experimenting with the seating depth. It was not an easy deal by any means. Guess I was too pizzed (or dumb) to give up on them. Reason I didn't give up is because it shoots the 100TSX into tiny groups, so I know the damn thing can shoot.

I load for my brothers 300WIN and it shoots the 165AB extremely well.

Had great results with a 140AB in a 280 and so-so results with a 130AB out of a 270.

Here is my 300RUM with the 200AB load in action (in BC) :

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350Yards, dumped it on it's nose, followed by a nice tumble down the mountain

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80 yards, pretty much DRT...little weak on the tines, but was 59" wide

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Thanks for the info!

The only difference between the Scirocco I and II is how they are heated during the bonding process. The SII is heated so it's harder. Otherwise they are the same bullet, according to the head guy at Swift. This was done because so many people wanted to shoot game bigger than deer with the Scirocco, rather than using the A-Frame, as Swift was recommending.


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JB, I'm shooting 150gr Scirocco's in a 7mmSTW. I'm loading H1000, and like hicountry, they are moving along above 3350fps. I've had excellent accuracy with the Scirocco's. On paper, they're printing tight little groups. After having some issues getting them to group early on, I spoke to Bill Huber for a while, make that a long while, but he was helpful. I have had far better accuracy with the Scirocco's than the 140gr Accubonds out of my gun. My Ruger #1 seems to shine (like most 7STW's) with the heavier bullets, on up to 175gr. I recently got my hands on some 160gr NAB seconds, we'll work with those next spring. I'm sure they will shoot just fine too.

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I have used the 130 277 Scirocco's. The very first produced gave very good accuracy. Then something happened and I could not get them to shoot well in any of the three 270 Win's in which I tried them. They were the quickest killing bullet of all those presently manufactured and I have tried them all. The 150 7mm's are quite easy to get to shoot well. Both fly flatter than their bc's indicate.



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Sorry, but I have posted this before also.

130g NAB vs 130g SII water jug test with 6.5x284 at 15 yards.

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Accuracy was very similar in my rifle, <1 MOA out to 300 yards. I think the NAB went through 1 more jug, but that is from memory so may not be correct. Also, I am pretty sure that the SII weighed more when recovered.


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The 130 ABs and Scirocco IIs are giving equal accuracy from my 6.5 WSM. No field results with the rifle yet, but I chose the SII for the higher BC and reportedly larger frontal area upon expansion (as seen in kyreloader's post).

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I have posted this before as well but this is the reason I will not go to the Swift again. emailed them but they wern't interested. Use the GS Custom bullet now for the "important" stuff.
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This was a bullet picked at random to complement a wall display.

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Originally Posted by hicountry

Had a difficult time however getting the 110AB (.257) to shoot out of my 257 ROY (Vanguard Sub-MOA). After much fussing and trips to the range, I coaxed sub 1" out of the 110 using RL25 and experimenting with the seating depth. It was not an easy deal by any means. Guess I was too pizzed (or dumb) to give up on them. Reason I didn't give up is because it shoots the 100TSX into tiny groups, so I know the damn thing can shoot.

Did you try H1000 in this test?

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I tried the Scirocco's in my 270 Win. in 2001 with accuracy in the 1.5"-2" groups. I took them hunting that year and shot a deer at less than 100 yards with very little expansion. Following its path it seemed to just pencil though. I understand they have been redesigned since then.

The Accubond has been very accurate for me. The 140g going around an inch or less. No results for me on game yet.

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I have tried Swift S-2's in 5 rifles in 7mm and 30 calibers and I could never get them to shoot well. Most of the 5 had match grade barrels.
I have tried AB's in three different rifles and they have all shot them under an inch with min fuss.

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Anything can go wrong and does, but pretty unusual to pick just one bullet to dissect and have it turn out to be such so defective. Makes one wonder just how many there are in that box........?

BTW - were those S1" or the newer S11"s..........?

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The 140 7mm AB has been consistently accurate for me in a couple of 7RM's,and the 7mm Dakota at 3375 fps.Ditto also the 150 gr AB in the 30/06.

I have tried the 130 AB in a couple of 270's and they did not want to shoot.

The 7mm 150 SS(both the old and new)have also been very accurate in 7RM and 7mm Dakota.Driven at 3150-3225 from these cartridges, I notice it shoots a full MOA "flatter" to 500 yards than more conventional bullets....I don't know why....

I can't get the 130 SS I or II to shoot in any 270 Win I have tried.

Have not shot anything other than coyotes with the SS,but was surprised that the give nickel-sized exits on these little animals,even under 100 yards,and do not blow them apart which surprised me.....I am more used to seeing coyotes blown up pretty badly from 270's and 130 Partitions.The SS II seemed pretty tough to me.

I have a feeling the 130 270,both AB and SS II,because of their length,might need a faster twist that 1-10 found in most 270's.Just a guess,because I do not have a 9 twist 270,but I can't get either bullet to shoot.

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