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#3495455 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: VonGruff]
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I have had good success with the 210 Scirocco II and the 225 Accubond on my 338-06. Both have demonstrated consistent groups in the .6-.8 range. Not a lot of data points, but enough to feel confident either way. No experience on game yet.

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#3495833 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: prm]
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Thanks to everybody who has provided info!
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#3495844 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: Mule Deer]
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Both have shot just fine for me. I've killed more critters with the Swift, newer and older version. I do believe the Swifts like a little faster twist, which I generally run in aftermarket tubes, but that's just a 'guess'
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#3495904 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: Steelhead]
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Steelhead, have you tried the 90 gr 6mm on game yet? That one has been the gold standard in my 6mm Rem. Gotten really spoiled on that one. I have some of the nosler e-tips and some bergers to try yet but that's just experimenting. It would be real hard to beat the 90 gr swift. This is all in regards to the whitetails we have around here, havn't shot anything heavier.

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#3495909 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: 65X54]
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Negative but I have them loaded up and will be going hunting with me next week. Still have a 9.3x57 and a 6.5x54 I need to get bloody also.
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#3495932 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: Steelhead]
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Sounds like a tough job...No rest for the wicked I guess.

Good Luck to Ya!

edit to add, reminds me, got a 9X57 here that needs some blood.


Edited by 65X54 (11/20/09)

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#3496058 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: 65X54]
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I feel the Accubond performs flawless at non-magnum velocitys.

180's in my -06 were extremely accurate and I never recoverd a single one. Meat loss was minimal. The AB's wound channel,entrance and exit's were very similiar to a Partition.

I've seen enough meat damanage with AB's at magnum velocitys that I'd just stick with a partition. Just my 2 cents.
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#3496079 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: VonGruff]
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Originally Posted By: VonGruff
I have posted this before as well but this is the reason I will not go to the Swift again. emailed them but they wern't interested. Use the GS Custom bullet now for the "important" stuff.


This was a bullet picked at random to complement a wall display.

Von Gruff.


Good reason to weight sort bullets
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#3496140 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: VonGruff]
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Thanks for the response.

I also had my one and only horrible experience with the S1's, specifically their 180gr. in my 300RUM on a bull when Swift first put them out. I called Swift to check if they thought the bullet was adequate for elk prior to load development and they said "yes", especially in that weight and cartridge.

Not good........not at all.

Thanks for sharin' your results as well.........


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#3497270 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: magnumb]
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I wish I had a picture of a first generation Scirocco I recovered a few years ago from a whitetail. I put the bullet down while skinning the deer and forgot about it. Came back later and it was gone.

Anyway, and I know it's not all that relevant to discussing the second generation bullet, that thing was flat as a pancake with virtually no bullet shank remaining and was about as wide as a half dollar. I shot this deer from about 15 yards and was in a tripod stand at the time. The shot was right behind the shoulder and I expected to find an exit wound on the other side lower than the entrance considering I was shooting down at it. Instead the bullet didn't exit, but veered almost 90 degrees to the left and upward, ending up under the skin of the deer's right shoulder. It must have flattened out within the first 2 or 3 inches and then, for lack of a better word, it "hydroplaned" up and to the left. I guess shooting them that close with a .300 Wby will do that. What's astonishing to me is that a deer can take a hit like that and still run 50 yards, which this one did.
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#3497430 - 11/20/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: Delta Hunter]
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I couldn't find any pieces big enough to show that I took from that bull with the S1's..........

About as a complete fragmentation of a bullet that I've ever seen.

Bad....very bad.

I gave several hundred of those bullets to a buddy free of charge 'cuz they left me with such a bad experience. He uses them on deer out of his 300RUM.

Makes a guy pretty wary, even though the S11's might be the bullet of a lifetime. I won't be finding out...........

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#3498323 - 11/21/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: magnumb]
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This a 6mm 90gr SSII I pulled out of a whitetail shoulder just this afternoon. This shot entered in front of the rear leg and stopped in the off side shoulder. Muzzle velocity was 3220 and that shot was 160yds. It measures about .510" at its widest point and weighs 81.6gr. Shot 6 whitetails and this was the only one that didn't exit. I (personally) like the SSII.

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#3498377 - 11/21/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: Mule Deer]
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Originally Posted By: Mule Deer
I predict they will kill an elk!

I'd like to hear from anybody else who has shot both AB's and Scirocco's as far as accuracy results. I've had my own experiences with both but am interested in other's results.


I have not tried the SSIIs, but I could not get a single one of the original Sciroccos to fly worth a damm in 6mm, .277, or .308. The only Accubonds I've used are 150 gr. .308 and they shoot exceptionally well......
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#3498380 - 11/21/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: BradArnett]
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Where you postin' those buck pics at Brad?
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#3498592 - 11/21/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: 2muchgun]
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Brad, good to see what SSII looks like. I've used my 6mm on 14 of them and havn't got to see one until your post.

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#3505041 - 11/23/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: kyreloader]
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kyteloader,
From your water jug tests, it looks like the Scirocco may have a slight edge in both a larger mushroom, and weight retention.

My rifle likes Accubonds, but I may need to try out the accuracy in some Scirocco's.

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#3505968 - 11/23/09 Re: Nosler Accubond's vs Swift Scirocco II [Re: StrayDog]
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Pretty much a consistent theme in all of the recovery pics I have seen with ABs and SSs is that the SS seems to have a larger frontal area than the AB.

That would seem to imply that the AB would (theoretically anyway) penetrate further than the SS.

Frankly I wouldn't hesitate (and haven't) to point them at anything without the utmost confidence in the outcome.

Tony

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